punch in the face

what was with NBC or whatever looping that clip of those skinny teenage girl beating the crap out of that other skinny teenage girl this morning - over an over and over - it was like 6 times in a row - do we need to see it that many times?
The volume was off - was there a reason to show real angry violence at that hour of the morning ? ? ?

Tue. Apr 8, 10:52am

sounds awful. glad I never watch those programs. Why was the teenage girl beating up the other teenage girl?

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 11:22 AM

That is what I want to know but mainly why they kept showing this video over and over and over - it was very disturbing - I am sure about 10 million little kids watched it over and over while mommy was getting breakfast together and the news was on.

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 1:15 PM

one of the girls got into a disagreement with another girl at school. So a bunch of girls got together... had two kids standing at the door to keep her in... and then they started beating her up. Then they were so bright that they decided to put it on you tube.

Does anyone else wonder what the hell is going on with kids these days ? I'm 28 and that is crazy to me.

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 1:22 PM

I think they watch a lot of violence on TV and then act it out ;)

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 1:28 PM

Eh, this stuff happened in high school when I went 20 years ago - not a big bad inner-city one either. The girls involved took off their jewelry if they thought something was brewing, to avoid torn earlobes and such. I guess I'm most curious about who recorded the beatdown - someone who wanted to support the victim with proof, or a true moron-even-by-teenage-standards who thought it would be amusing.

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 3:51 PM

Interesting

Your choice in adjective "skinny". Why couldn't you just rant about the nasty girls hitting the other girl. Why was it "those skinny teenage girl beating the crap out of that other skinny teenage girl".

Skinny suddenly became portrayed in a negative light.

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 6:30 PM

"Does anyone else wonder what the hell is going on with kids these days ? I'm 28 and that is crazy to me. "

Hye, I'm 17 and still think they're nuts. I laughed when I saw the myspace continuation, too. It's ridiculous. (the girl who go beat up put "aw, all in jail" or something like that on ehr profile and threats had been sent thru myspace)

People are just insane.

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 6:54 PM

6:30 when did "skinny" become negative - I was just being decriptive - they are skinny and wearing tight shirts and jeans and that is part of what makes it weird b/c they seem like just sweet nice little 13 year olds in a way - but they are punching this other girl in the face - it shouldn't have been aired - or not 7 x
! !

Tuesday, April 08, 2008, 10:35 PM

So they seemed like nice girls because they were skinny with tight shirts.

What about if they were fat with tight shirts, would they still be "sweet" looking? Or what if the two girls doing the hitting were skinny but the victim was fat, or even vice versa.

I don't understand why someone's physical appearance was part of the description.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 8:46 AM

yes, they should show it. They need to get the message to parents like me to teach your children about bullies and how to kick ass if they get into that situation! I am SO HAPPY I saw that video. In fact, I wouldn't mind having a few minutes in a room with each one of those kids to kick the shit out of them exactly as they did to her!

She cannot see correctly out of one eye or hear out of one ear and you're complaining about having to see it too early in the morning?

Count your blessings and quit whining about TV.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 9:01 AM

Absolutely they should be showing it over and over again along with their sentencing hearings so that every kid in America might learn a lesson (or at least open a dialogue with parents). This isn't some action movie being broadcast. I was horrified with what I saw and I hope that it serves as a wake up call to a lot of parents about what kids are capable of. And if that stuff happened in someone's school 20 years ago, shame on the parents/teachers/students for not being involved enough!! I was in school 20 years ago and girl fighting (even guy fighting in a lot of cases) was non-existent because it was thought only dirtbaggy tramps got in fights. (not my adult opinion, but that's what it was back then)

I hope they throw the book at those kids. Any person that would be involved in that kind of attack lacks any sense of human compassion and needs a good kick in their own a$$. Let's see how big and bad they are serving time in county with people 10x worse than they are..........

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 9:44 AM

holy crap 8:46 what is the chip on your shoulder ? ? Prepubescent girls are usually thinner and nicer than late teen / full grown women - no ? Their appearance made them seem young - yes.

9:01 - all this media exposure only exacerbates the problem - after columbine's ultra media coverage and "shocking expose's" of ever horrible shooting - we just have more sootings than ever! it gets the idea into their heads - what are we too stupid to read about it we have to watch it happen ? I don't care about my seeing it - I just know there are a bunch of toddler and teenagers taking that in - it was the same thing this morning again ! !

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:11 AM

10:11--not starting an argument, just trying to ensure I am hearing your side of the issue, which is very valid as well.

What I think you're saying is because of the media exposure, it's happening more? I agree with that to a point, but I also think things like school shootings, beatings, etc. have happened for years, but because of the media, we're more exposed to it, it's more talked about. Before the news was news, these things happened, just never heard about it because the media wasn't so prevalent.

I know I teach my children to stand up for themselves or they will constantly be bullied. I have a daughter who is 7 years old. She was on the bus at the beginning of the school year and this one boy kept trying to trip her, hit her with his back pack, punch her in the arm, kicked her in the legs several times, etc. I sat down with her and we talked about how kids can be mean, try to ignore it, tell someone if you feel threatened, etc. She said she wanted to handle it a little longer before we talked to the bus driver and the company. One day, about two months after this was going on. He hit her in the arm and left quite a mark. She told him if he ever touched her again, she'd hit him back. Well, this bully thought she was just a girl and wasn't going to do it or hurt him if she did. Guess what, I (her mother) lift weight at home with my husband and when we're lifting, her and her 6 year old brother have their own smaller weights to lift, so she's a very built 7 year old. He decided to hit her again in the area. She turned around and punched him right in the nose. Gave him a bloody nose and sent the kid to urgent care to get it to stop bleeding. He has never once touched her nor has anyone else for that matter. I got a call from the principal and all that jazz, but they couldn't do anything because he punched her first.

I don't like having to teach my daughter and son violence, we don't allow it in our house (except during news), but this day in age, children need to learn to defend herself.

If that girl that was jumped by those kids had learned to defend herself or carried mace, we wouldn't be hearing about this and she would be able to hear and see fine.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:24 AM

Every child should be taught to defend themselves at whatever cost, if attacked. They should be taught that it is alright to strike back if under duress and that inflicting injury on someone that has started it, is fine.

If the girls were brought up properly, they should be more afraid of what their parents will do to them rather than the law.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:34 AM

Also not trying to start an argument but,,,,

kids should know how to defend themselves in a life threatening situation, not because of a bruised arm. You had it right until you told her to hit back. You just undid everything that school had probably tried to teach the kids about bullying and handling bullies. I'm not saying a kid who's being beaten up should curl up and take it, but your daughter's lucky that kid didn't react by clocking her in the face! They both should have been suspended. Our school has a zero tolerance policy..it doesn't matter who started it, if you let fists fly you're gone for 3 days. The only thing you've taught your daughter is to not rely on the proper channels to fix a problem. The bus driver could have separted them. The principal could make sure he's the last one to get on the bus. If those paths had been exhausted, then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. You shouldn't be proud she bloodied his nose, you should be thankful those parents didn't sue you for medical costs.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:37 AM

10:37--yeah, that's the right thinking. Just because it hurts someones feelings and it's against school policy "across the board" my daughter should put up with it just because the bus driver saw it and did nothing about it. NOT going to happen in my house. If my children throw the first punch, they have to answer to me and that's not going to be pretty. If someone else does it first, I've taught my children to finish it. Sorry if you disagree with that. I am not going to let my children be punching bags for other children's kicks.

Those parents apologized to me because there were 30 witnesses on the bus who told the bus driver several times about what was going on and they didn't stop it. Those parents didn't know it was going on and were absolutely ashamed their son would do that to anyone, let along a girl. If anything, they should be going after the school for not doing something about it or notifying her it was on.

I am absolutely proud of my daughter for tolerating it as long as she did. I am absolutely proud of her that she gave him a warning and I am ABSOLUTELY proud of her that she finished it and stood up for herself. I will support her if it happens again.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:49 AM

gotta comment on the whole "fight back" philosophy... In middle school, I myself was attacked by a girl while in the locker room. She sucker pushed my face into my locker. I stood there and finished getting dressed until I felt the blood rushing down my face. Then I went to the teacher, got cleaned up, and my mom came and got me to take me home for the day. She told me how proud she was for not fighting back. She knew that I can defend myself, but by standing on my own and not fighting back I actually showed strength and courage. It was so true. when the girl got back from her suspension she was all like, damn your tough. She even stood up for me a couple of times in high school. So, sometimes taking it is better than fighting back. Especially at such a young age. Just think, had I fought back (or the girl in the clip) there could have been a suspention from school, it could go on one's permanent record, and it could lead to an even more violent attack. Now, if life is the threat, then hell yeah you need to fight back, but when face with a moron, you'll come out looking better if you just sit and see what happens instead of getting in deep too.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:50 AM

If this kid was routinely picking on your child and the bus driver wasn't doing anything about it, and you knew about it, then it's your responsibility to take it to the next level...the principal etc. I'm not justifying what this bully did, it was wrong. But encouraging your child to "finish it" is just sending the wrong message. It seems that you perceive going through proper avenues as being a tattle tale or a whimp. If a child knows they can rely on the adults around them then they don't have to take matters into their own hands, and maybe if there had been better adult supervision this kid wouldn't have picked on yours in the first place. You can't say in one breath that you don't like violence, but in the next say that it's ok for her to hurt someone just because he hurt her.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 11:04 AM

Unfortunately, that's not always the case. I'm glad your situation worked out fine, but my daughter didn't fight back for months and it got worse. He didn't high five her for being tough and tolerating his ignorant crap. Not only has this boy NOT touched my daughter, he hasn't touched anyone on the bus or in school. They even talk and sometimes play on the playground together. I think she earned his respect. I don't believe suspension is a solution either.

I think at a young age, you need to teach children respect, discipline and responsibility. There are so many kids today that walk through our local Target or shopping mall lined up 5 in a row and won't move out of the way for a pregnant woman, or open the door for an elderly lady. I point those things out to my children so they can see what they should be doing to be a lady and a gentleman.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 11:08 AM

No, i don't believe in violence. But, I do believe in defending yourself. Maybe to you that seems hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. I don't believe if bullying, I don't believe in picking fights, I don't believe you spank a child as discipline. I do, however, believe you at least KNOW how to defend yourself should, God forbid, you need to.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 11:11 AM

Oh for god's sake, when did putting up with bullying and violence become courageous and admirable? You're creating a DOORMAT, not a self-reliant adult-to-be.

Try to teach them the difference between getting punched and not doing anything and getting felt up by a stranger on the subway and not doing anything.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 11:28 AM

I'm just saying I wish for once the networks would show some balls and do the right thing by not showing the video if this over and over - stamping it on everyone's collective pysche - regardless of what the girl should have done - why air the video such violent behavior - THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THESE GIRLS MADE THE VIDEO - to be famous - and now these morons have given them the notoriety they desired and showed everyone that if you want to be famous do something horrible. Nice.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 11:46 AM

I think the most responsible footage they could show in the follow-up would be the gaggle of nasty girls crying in a courtroom.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 12:05 PM

absolute 12:05--they should show these kids when they're facing federal charges, then show them going to prison, then show them in a year and see how they like getting punched, ganged up on and bullied, and keep going with it.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 12:23 PM

Here Here!!

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 12:32 PM

I'm a teacher and although I understand a parent's desire to not have their child be a doormat, I find that teaching them to treat aggression with aggression is not a great idea. "Figting back" implies that someone is pummeling you and you take action to protect yourself, and sometimes that means hitting back. But there are so many other ways to handle being bullied. Parents rely on us as eduators (and I don't mean this parent personally) to do so much of their job for them, but then they don't like the way we do it. We promote handling bullies without sinking to the bully's level, but parents would rather their kid be seen as "tough". Great that this kid respects your daughter, but is that the bigger lesson here? Kick my a$$ and I'll respect you. That's the bully's way of thinking.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 12:38 PM

It's not just a bully's mindset - it works that way for most people except those who try, for whatever reason, to glorify passivity as "the moral high road". That's what you tell yourself afterwards to make yourself feel better about being victimized. It does not teach the bully a lesson. No one respects "crying to the teacher/principal/your mommy" even if it is the approved way to handle things. It's like trying to communicate in a language they don't understand.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 12:57 PM

12:38--no, I think the bigger lesson here is adults DO NOT have control over children. Teachers teach children in our school district to call 911 if they get spanked by their parents. In case you didn't hear the news today, 4 3rd graders brought duct tape, a knife, and handcuffs to school so they could hurt their teacher for making a classmate go to time out. I work side by side with my children's teachers and when they're misbehaving, the teachers email me and tell me their not listening or not bringing stuff back in to school, etc. But teachers, bus drivers, police, etc. can't do what you could 10 years ago because of fear of being sued.

I don't expect anyone to agree with my view and the way I bring up my children. Nor should anyone expect me to change my views because they differ. My only point is this: my daughter took the high road for as long as she could and involved adults (including the bus driver everyone says she's supposed to trust and rely on to protect her) and that got her no where. She defended herself against a bully. I don't see why that's so bad.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 1:30 PM

12:57--thanks for your understanding. It's unfortunate our world has come to 7 year olds defending themselves, but that's the way it is, especially after the bus driver did nothing about it. I have the obligation to protect my children, which is why i sat down with her and asked how she wanted me to handle it. Running at taddling only makes bullying worse.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 1:33 PM

12:05 - now that is what I am talking about - "Here Here" is right - ! !

-OP

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 1:40 PM

I was bullied a lot in school. My mother did a great job of minimizing the opportunities the girls had to put me in that position, and it did eventually stop because they found someone more convenient to focus on. It didn't happen overnight, but it did stop and I became a recluse. So at 17, I started taking martial arts classes to build my self-confidence and 'battle skills' and recover from those feelings of powerlessness...and ended up with a thirtysomething instructor who preyed on questionably-legal teenagers. I was easy pickings, and I was such an oddball already that no one picked up on the clues.

The moral of my story: you really can't protect your kids as well as you'd like, so equip the hell out of them and don't avoid uncomfortable topics.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 2:10 PM

When did taking the "moral high road" equal passivity? Because I choose to be better than the person who bothers me, that makes me a victim? Is it ever ok for a child to go to an adult for help? Should they try to fend off a pedophile on their own because they don't want to be seen as tattling? Why else are we here as parents if we can't give our kids a voice?

I'm not saying that the victim of bullying should just cower in the corner and hope it goes away. That's unreasonable and unlikely. But why is it wrong to expect more from both sides?

And one of the PP is right, teachers can't get away with things today they could years ago. If I got on that bus and punched that kid, I'd be brought up on charges because I should know better....shouldn't we ask kids to know better too? I know we don't live in an ideal world, but I guess I come from a place of "why can't it be better?"

I don't judge the way anyone raises their kids, as long as the kids are healthy and happy. Don't misunderstand my opposition to your position. It's just that seeing the type of bullying I see everyday makes me think that we have to approach it from another angle than just staring them down. Bullying just doesn't escalate when it's ignored, sometimes it escalates because it's been challenged, which brings us back to the OP and the story of those girls. They beat the crap out of her because she gave them some lip in response to their bullying.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 2:40 PM

So just shut up and it won't be so bad is the lesson you want us to take away from that? This is what you tell your kids to do while you go through the proper, slow-if-any-result channels? My sympathies - to your kids.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 4:02 PM

12:05 checking in

I'm also the one who's daughter punched the boy on the bus.

Thanks everyone who supports my thoughts. For those who don't, that's ok, too. That's why we're all different.

2:10 I am so sorry to hear what you went through at school, and just when things are looking better, you were prayed upon by an adult. I hope you are strong now and see what little people they all were.

4:02--i agree with you. Unfortunately (because of fear of relational or law suits) adults hands are tied and becomes victims to the bullies themselves.

Let's face it people--it's a sad world out there and I plan on teaching my children to protect themselves when I can't be there to do so.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 4:30 PM

Whatever, my kid has never started a fight. EVER! But, there have been times when he was picked on and had to stand up for himself. It is no longer just name calling and pushing or slapping. There is an article right now about two 10 year old girls in Erir PA who stomped and kicked another 10 year old girl so severely that she broke her hip and will need a hip replacement. My job as a parent is to protect my child. Law suit or not, touch my kid and you can expect me. Teacher, student, child, or adult.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 5:40 PM

4:02 you seem to be a bully yourself. Is no one on this thread entitled to a different opinion than yours? I think I was clear that everyone has their own take on the situation and I don't begrudge anyone for doing what they think they need to do for their own child. I was merely trying to point out the good work that schools are trying to do with teaching kids the right ways to treat each other, and that it can often be undermined by parents who don't hold their kids to the same standard. And you don't need to feel any sympathy for my children, they're happy, confident, and strong minded. You don't have the right to talk about my children.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 7:02 PM

Glenn Beck

Okay, so I just watched the Glen Beck show cheerleader beat clip on Youtube -

is this nation IRONYPROOF ??
the whole time he is there preaching - "These kids worship fame and just want to be famous - they should be punished!" And He runs the clip OVER AND OVER in the backround -

He would be a hypocrite if he wasn't clearly stupid enough to realize the irony

You are helping to make them FAMOUS - YOU DUMBA$$ Don't show their video ! !
!! !! !!

and there is the mom tearing up about how she can hardly watch it and it breaks her families heart - and they keep showing it ! Bastards !

Wednesday, April 09, 2008, 10:40 PM

Mariland School Teacher Beating

This is how much respect Generation Y kids have for teachers, parents, etc. Here's a perfect example. If kids are doing this to teachers, what the hell are they doing to other children? What a sad world.

Link

Thursday, April 10, 2008, 9:20 AM

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