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Any Indians out there?

Just wondering.....

Wed. Jan 9, 12:43pm

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Indians from where???

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 12:52 PM

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Oops sorry! From the Asian sub-continent

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 12:59 PM

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dots or feathers?

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:07 PM

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Dots

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:11 PM

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Ok being a native american myself I find it rude to ask dots or feathers? God what is wrong with people? I'm sure the other Indians find it a little offensive as well.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:13 PM

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i said it and i don't see why it was rude. It was clarification, not a derogatory comment. People need to calm down and quit taking everything so damn personal.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:44 PM

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1:11 didn't seem to mind.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:45 PM

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I'm not Indian and I thought it was offensive. Would you say that to somoene in person ? If someone said to "I'm Indian" would you say "Oh, really Dot's or Feathers ? ". I really hope not.

I love it when people who offend other races say that they should just "calm down and not take things personally".

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:51 PM

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i do say that directly to people. I don't take offense one bit when people ask me any questions. I have natural curly hair and I'm not offeneded in the least when people ask if i'm part black, i don't get offended when people ask if i'm "Iti" because of my last name. I don't even get offended when the doc says I'm in the obese category. If I were to take all of these questions so personally because they are not socially PC or of the norm, I would be one resentful and upset person. Don't have time for that. I've got a life to live that demands happiness, laughter, and one hell of a ride.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 1:57 PM

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To tell the poster to "calm down" is rude in my opinion. We should all have skin as thick as yours

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 2:10 PM

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i said "people" need to calm down, not the poster. It's unfortunate, and I blame the media, that our society has become so liberal and that we all need to apologize for hurting someone's feelings. I look at my children who's classmates have everything handed to them and what a hard lesson i am giving my children that playtime, board games, and snowboarding are so much more fun than a Wii. That a generic MP3 player works the same as an IPOD. I am not afraid to hurt their feelings by telling them they're not the best baseball player on their team, but give it your best shot. I teach them a balance of respect and tough love.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 2:20 PM

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first of all, "feathers" are called Native Americans, not Indians. Its a mis understanding between many people, and Native Americans do get offensive if someone calls them an Indian, becuase they are tottaly differnt than the Indian people. The poeple from the country in Inida are Indians

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 4:27 PM

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then by your way of thinking, wouldn't people from be Indian Americans instead of "indians"?

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 4:30 PM

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Inida

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 4:34 PM

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Hmm, I have met a lot of Native Americans who prefer to be called "Indians." The last time I said "native american" to my, um, American Indian friend, he said, "We're ALL Native Americans -- weren't you born here?" (I wasn't, but that's a different story.)

Also, when my American Indian neighbor was telling me that our new neighbor was from Bengal, he described the guy as "Indian with a dot."

It's confusing. Everyone tries to be clear as best they can -- good to give folks the benefit of the doubt.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 5:22 PM

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I am Native American Indian, and yes at one time it was politically ok to be called Indian, but now we are Native American. I can see the humor behind dots or feathers but I can also see where some might be offended by that. The one thing I find amazing nowadays is the fact that it is politically incorrect to say "sit Indian style" now its criss cross applesauce, what the hell is that? Wasn't sitting Indian style said because it was the way we sat and also taught the "white people"?

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 6:56 PM

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Our British Columbian neighbors call native people "First Nations" people since the word "American" (in Native American) is a European word and not native to this continent.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 8:11 PM

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"First Nations" is used in all of Canada for "Natives"

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 10:10 PM

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Not all who live in the country India are "dots"

Also not all Indians are "dots", that is only if you are HINDU.

To 2:20 thank God you aren't my parent you sound really rotten.

Wednesday, January 09, 2008, 10:32 PM

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Not being american or from the USA, I find it interesting that a simple question here gets blown up in a "race row". You are all trying to be so politically correct its almost amusing.
I am interested in the "Native Americans" though...you hear so much on the problems and racism against African Americans ( Who doesnt watch Oprah??), but never against the people who owned the continent. Where are they??

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 1:18 AM

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10:32--you are crucifying a mother and calling her rotton because of tough love and not buying her kids a WIi? Are you by any chance from Generation Y?

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 8:46 AM

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8:46, no I'm not Generation Y, I'm 43 years old. My kids who wanted a "real" iPod had to pay the difference of the cost of a generic MP3. I have one daughter who is very happy with her generic MP3. I think the "rotten" part came from this comment: "I am not afraid to hurt their feelings by telling them they're not the best baseball player on their team"
Why would you need to go out of your way to say that, what purpose does it serve? I dont think you should stroke their egos falsly by telling them they are great players etc.. but why it out in a negative way? I might be overreacting because my dad who never attended any of my events/activities etc.. was and still is overly critical. There are things he has said and done i would never dream of saying to any child.

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 10:13 AM

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i don't think the poster said she is negative towards her kids, but she certainly stated she is encouraging them, but not giving them false hope. what's wrong with that? It's better to be realistic with children than shadowing them their whole lives and having reality hit them when they are adults.

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 10:24 AM

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Read what 6:56 said (Thanks, 6:56):

This is such a perfect demonstration of the mess obsessive political correctness is making of things. 6:56 apparently is Indian, Native American, First Nations or whatever you want to call it, and finds it offensive that "Indian-style" sitting has changed to "criss-cross applesauce." But why was it changed? Because the use of the word "Indian" to descrive anything related to the cultures Europeans found upon arriving here has been maligned by so many Native Americans that someone, _trying to be respectful,_ thought it would be good to quit saying "Indian style" to describe that particular way of sitting. But the attempt to be respectful has caused more frustration.

Nobody can win, because everyone's claws are always out, for the deliberately racist remarks and for innocent remarks by tolerant people. We're not attacking racism any more, because we're attacking everything.

We can't even go to the source to find out what is least offensive. Take the recent push to change the names of thousands of US creeks, valleys, towns, rivers, fish...because the current names (all variations of the same word) are offensive. Until this push began, most whites understood the word to mean nothing more than "woman" or "wife," neither of which are offensive. I sympathized, though, when I started hearing comments about the meaning of the word, esp. since the Northern Pikeminnow (formerly called "squawfish") is a trashfish of the worst sort. It seemed possible to me that this particular fish was given that particular name out of something other than respect.

But then I heard a piece on National Public Radio in which a panel of Native Americans (choose your preferred term) decried the movement to change the name, saying that the word "squaw" was never spoken in dishonor by those whose language it came from. And then another panel of Native Americans came on with an opposing view.

Now, what am I supposed to do with that?

Tolerance has become a battle cry, and there's an irony to that that is lost on people. Political correctness isn't about understanding as much as it is about taking offense. And some of those who cry loudest for tolerance are the least tolerant; so many assume that every word is a knife pointed deliberately at them by hatred. People who are not prejudiced are verbally attacked all the time for not knowing some nuance of another culture; sometimes they are attacked by one group for one thing and by another for the alternative.

This is not fostering mutual understanding; it's fostering mutual suspicion and mistrust. Malice. Hostility. Hostility never leads to acceptance and understanding and has no place in the effort to promote them.

If our objective is goodwill between cultures and subcultures, we need to think about the word "goodwill." It's not "perfection" or "infallibility" or "judgment." It's "goodwill"--the willingness to think well of each other, in both directions.

I find that the battle for political correctness sometimes gets in the way of my efforts to learn about, understand, and appreciate other cultures and beliefs. That's frustrating, and sad.

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 10:52 AM

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i couldn't agree with you more. the world has become on man for himself. even people of the same culture can't agree on what's offensive and what's PC.

I laugh at people who are so quick to judge and put down others for the way they think or their opinions. Those are usually the ones who think they are always so PC and tolerant. Pretty untrue from what i've seen.

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 10:58 AM

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How about we start responding to the OP's original questions and stop arguing?

Are there any PT members from India out there?

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:02 AM

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"I heard a piece on National Public Radio in which a panel of Native Americans (choose your preferred term) decried the movement to change the name, saying that the word "squaw" was never spoken in dishonor by those whose language it came from. And then another panel of Native Americans came on with an opposing view. "

Well, and here again we see that over-generalizing is a major problem. Native Americans are not ONE group -- there are a whole bunch of tribes, many of whom were at war with each other long before Europeans showed up. They don't all think the same things, and no one Native American can speak for all.

Funnily enough, it can work the other way, too, when Native Americans look at non-Native Americans. I once was in a group of people including a Caucasian (me), a mixed African-American/Caucasian person, an Asian person, and a Navajo. And the Navajo guy said, pursuing his point and waving at all of us, "You white people.... " The Asian woman turned to me in astonishment and said, "Since when am I 'white'?!" But I guess we all looked alike to him!

(And yes, among the three of us non-Navajos, we all have more specific tribal relations outside North America. There are many shades of every "color.")

No use being offended; we all had a good laugh. Indeed, recognizing good will and giving other's the benefit of the doubt on all this infinitely confusing terminology is key!!

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:13 AM

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11:02--the op's original question didn't ask if there are any PT members FROM INDIA--the original question is Are there any indians out there--didn't specifically say FROM INDIA!

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:05 PM

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Thank you

You are so right.

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 12:28 PM

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My God! What's going on here?

Thursday, January 10, 2008, 7:02 PM

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11:13, thanks for underscoring my point, even though you misunderstood me. I never stated that Native Americans were one group; I'm fully aware of the tribal differences, the opposing confederacies, etc. The point is (and was on the program) that an agreement doesn't even exist among Native Americans about the word "squaw," and yet any map that contains it is evidence of racism by the whites who made those maps, and any white who doesn't jump on the renaming bandwagon is suspected of racism as well.

OP: I am not from India, and the amount of Indian ancestry I can claim is negligible: one-sixteenth Cherokee.

Friday, January 11, 2008, 11:41 AM

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i don't care who you are where you come from or what you look like. you're all human to me, and really that is the important thing. we are all humans. so instead of fighting and belittling and arguing, why don't you all drop the subject and go donate a dollar to a charity that will help HUMANS.
Now that you've all hopefully shut up I can go back to hating everyone equally. thank you.

Friday, January 11, 2008, 9:23 PM

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