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Barack Obama Is A Fool
ok, I get the whole nice guy act. He is a gentleman. I love how he is transcending race, refusing to get sucked into the normal race baiting games. His election could transform the entire debate about race. He seems willing to reach out to independents and reject the scorched earth politics of Clinton/Rove.
Yet he remains convinced that diplomacy is an effective tool against terrorists. This is just plain dumb. We have watched for over a decade hard core negotations with the Palestinians. Yielding nothing. Same thing with Iran. These guys just laugh at us. Yet Barack seems to think that just because he went to Harvard he will be able to pull of what nobody on earth has yet accomplished. This is the height of arrogance, self-delusion.
Mon. Feb 11, 10:23am
You're so right, pp. Let's just go nuke them all, that's the only language those damn terrorists understand.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 10:46 AM
Barack Obama Is A Fool
Is spewing off about presidential candidates part of your diet regime? You opened the door, so expect people to walk through. His approach is not a "nice guy routine" it is incorporating diplomacy and dialogue which has been beneficial and part of this countries foreign policy in the past. The occupation of these countries has accomplished nothing more than alienating the world, coloring their view of us as antagonistic and affixing a large bullseye on to this country for future attacks. Iraq is not the headquarters for terrorism. Perhaps you should check your delusional level today or take some courses at Harvard.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 10:47 AM
Naive is a better word
so can any of you elightened ones explain why after a barrage of diplomacy the Palestinians are now starving? Saddam could have avoided a war, but diplomacy was useless with him. I'm not talking about nuking them all, I'm talking about not being naive.
Can one gain anything meaningful by projecting weakness in any negotiation?
Monday, February 11, 2008, 10:56 AM
oh good--a political thread. this should go well.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 10:59 AM
Since you mentioned Saddam... explain to me how imposing trade embargo's on a country that lead to millions of children dying because of a lack of medicine is considered diplomacy???
Monday, February 11, 2008, 11:01 AM
But What Kind of Salad Dressing Does He Like?
We're a country born of war and violence. The history we teach our kids lacks depth, understanding and often neglects the last 50 years of events. Most Americans couldn't even tell you exactly where Palestine is on a map. We have so few skilled diplomats representing our country..yet we're convinced diplomacy doesn't work? Well, if you're using the wrong tools for the job, hell ya! Let's face it, we Americans suck at diplomacy. There are very few of us skilled in the art. So we blame diplomacy just because we don't know how to do it. We're too arrogant and ignorant to get in and understand the cultures we've negotiating with.
Blowing up other countries rarely does anyone any good. Bombs away you say? Nuclear fallout will end up in your lettuce eventually since we all live on the same planet. So there..let's go full circle back on track with weight loss to salad...do you think Obama likes low-fat or full-fat dressing? And croutons? What about those bacon bits? Romaine or iceberg? How does he cut such a trim figure!
From now on, I propose that all political threads have a weightloss connection. ;)
Monday, February 11, 2008, 11:17 AM
How to handle a Troll (and beat them at their own game)
Monday, February 11, 2008, 11:26 AM
he doesn't have my vote.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 11:46 AM
11:26..not clear..who are you calling a troll? This is 11:17..my post was legit. I voted for Obama full disclosure. And I think being down on diplomacy is misguided as we haven't really had a great diplomat in a long time. Ben Franklin, maybe?!
Monday, February 11, 2008, 12:28 PM
As long as the warmongers currently in office are shown to the door I am a happy girl.
Diplomacy, they have no idea what diplomacy is. For Dick and George Diplomacy=Threat.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 12:39 PM
11:26 here (On a sidenote, it's incredibly stupid that I can't just have my username show up instead of having to write my time. What kind of forum is this? Has the PT builders looked at any other web site that has a forum, geez.)
Anyone can benefit from the link I gave.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 1:03 PM
The word "fool" is a pretty harsh word in my book. A lot of that comes from my Christian beliefs which says to "call no man a fool." But that's me, and you might believe the way I do.
Still, it's a pretty harsh word, very trollish.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 1:05 PM
that's funny 11:17, but let people have their say on whatever topic. i'm with you, i tend to stick to the weight loss ones myself, but that doesn't mean i have a right to tell people what they can or cannot talk about.
i personally prefer the Newman's Own Asian Seseme Ginger. only 35 cals for 2 tblsp.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 1:30 PM
OP- He's probably skinnier than you, and as a thread from last week posited, fat people make bad leaders, so I'll listen to the skinny guy
But please, if you have a better idea, go ahead and propose it to either the Dems or Reps for 2008. With your obvious years of policy experience and diplomatic skills, I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.
Now, can we get back to complaining about snacks in the break room?
Monday, February 11, 2008, 3:01 PM
I consider the word troll offensive you fool.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 3:32 PM
i'd never vote for him. They all freak me out. McCain is an angry tweaker, Hillary is the most condescending person on the planet. And Barack is just vacant. there is nothing there. Wasn't Bloomberg going to run or something?
Monday, February 11, 2008, 3:46 PM
Re: Naive is a better word post
Saddam could have avoided a war, but diplomacy was useless with him. I'm not talking about nuking them all, I'm talking about not being naive. <<<< Saddam could have avoided war? By doing what? There were no WMD to invade and that lie that perpetuated the war has been admitted to by Bush. So how could the invasion have been prevented?
Can one gain anything meaningful by projecting weakness in any negotiation? <
There was and is no negotiation; we invaded and continue to occupy a country that had nothing to do with 9-11while Bush smooches the Crown Prince of Saudi which is where all of the 9-11 attackers were nationals of.
You really need to get your facts straight.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 4:30 PM
not to play devils advocate, but those facts that people should get straight about government come from the government. who should trust them? Why should we trust them? There's been a history of misinformation coming from them...
Monday, February 11, 2008, 5:13 PM
let's not forget the real reason a war was approved: to go after Bin Laden, not Husain.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 5:17 PM
That's not the REAL reason why the war approved. Baby Bush had to go back in what Daddy Bush culdn't do, all under the pretense of terrorism prevention.
Its all about the oil people.
Monday, February 11, 2008, 5:44 PM
Monday, February 11, 2008, 7:59 PM
5:44--yes, the approval of the war to go after terrorist, specifically Bin Laden who was directly responsible for 9/11. but i absolutely agree with you that W changed his position after it was approved because Sadam threatened his daddy. that you are absolutely right about. which makes W more crooked than his father was.
I once saw a bumper sticker that said: I LOVE BUSH, NOT W
Tuesday, February 12, 2008, 10:02 AM
He does not have my vote, and neither does Hillary !!!
Tuesday, February 12, 2008, 9:34 PM
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