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has anyone else seen the new movie about climate change? very well done - informative, clear, scary. I think that everyone sould see it and take personal action. I'm curious what the peertrainer community thinks!

Tue. Jun 13, 10:14pm

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Anxious to see this, just waiting for the DVD to rent. Watched Gore on Larry King. He's set up a website devoted to this too, but I can't remember what it is.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 5:05 AM

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it's not that i disagree with the premise of this documentary, but I really can't stand al gore. i wish he would go away. and it's not about his politics.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:05 AM

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I haven't seen the movie, but, I want to point out, global warming happens naturally, and the theory that we (humans) are causing it because of our pollution is really that, a theory. It hasn't been proven. It may be true, but it may not. I work as a catastrophe risk analyst, and it is also only a theory that global warming is causing the increase in hurricanes, etc. In fact, most of the more highly-regarded experts on the subject believe that global warming is not the cause of the increase in hurricanes, but rather that it's a naturally-occurring cycle of about 20 years (this is also supported by history).

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:46 AM

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We have a heretic on this board!! Heretics have traditionally been burned at the stake. To test this theory, walk into a cocktail party in Manhattan, mention that Global Warming is just a theory, and see how long it takes for you to be verbally abused or forcibly removed.

On a slightly more serious note, the guys who do South Park have been absolutely brutal on Al Gore. The last episode of the season had Gore coming to South Park dressed up as a character called "Manbearpig" (half man, half bear, half pig) that tries to scare the children into Global Warming awareness.


Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:58 AM

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but we should be scared

What could be more scary than the entire planet overheating, I mean really? Some things are overblown, and some things are not.
On a related note, I heard an npr (or bbc?) about how the extra CO2 is making the oceans more acidic, and within the century parts of the ocean will become so acidic that the calcium carbonate of mussel shells will start to DISSOLVE faster than the animals can grow it -- thus they will die. What could be more awful?
BTW, I'm a biologist not a physicist, but I think its safe to say the scientists are largely united on the idea that global warming is happening. They may argue about how fast and how much, but it's real. And other "theories" in science include the cell theory (organisms are made of cells), the theory of gravity, evolution, etc... Scientists don't like to use the word "fact" or "proven" for ANYTHING -- in fact, those words tend to clue you in that the person is not part of academic science research, is probably selling something!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 11:38 AM

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Well. There IS a hurricane cycle, no question. The question is whether, if you plotted that cycle as a sine wave, the amplitude of the wave (severity/height of the high points, if you will) is increasing. If one eyeballs that wave, it sure looks like it! The cautionary note on interpreting it this way, however, is that the number of observations (number of years over which hurricane data have been recorded) is too low for many statistical tests to have any power.

So, would you rather wait around and say, "Hmmm, I'm not 100% sure what's going on so I won't change anything until I have 75 years more data?" That strikes me as a bad idea. In 75 more years the time series might be long enough, but we'll be 75 years more down that road.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 11:49 AM

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Global Warming - whatever. I don't buy it. Not that I don't think the planet could be slowly warming up - maybe it is - but so what. I care so little about it that I don't even know what steps we're supposed to be taking to avoid it.

And now I'm wondering how many people I am infuriating just by saying this...!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 1:49 PM

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I do think that we should be focusing on cleaner air, not because of some theory of global warming, but because clearner air is better to breathe in. It is such a simple point and I don't think anyone is FOR dirty air. I just wonder about the folks pushing the global warming thing-- wouldn't they be better served focusing on clean air--- something that nobody is against?

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 2:10 PM

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agree with 10:46 poster

It does happen naturally- and wasn't it some years back ppl were "afraid" of the nest ice age coming around the corner? The Earth we are standing on now is so old- and humans as a population or entity are so new... We are basically a 'blip' in time... Humans won't be around forever.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 2:13 PM

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I haven't seen the film. I think there is little doubt that CO2 emissions are contributing to a palpable global warming effect - whether it will end in catastrophe I don't think we can tell, but surely we would want to minimise risks rather than ignore them? The effect has been measured for years now, though it has accelerated only over the last couple of decades.

I don't think the attitude "humans won't be around forever" is a very constructive one. On that rationale, since you, 2:13pm poster, will DEFINITELY not be around forever (unlike the human race as a whole, which has a slim chance, after all, thanks to intelligence), why bother to be healthy at all? Why not eat Haagan Daas and French Fries and Pizza and whatever you desire whenever you desire it over the next couple of years, since you know you won't be around forever, and in any case obesity also happens naturally? You eat, you get fat - what could be more natural than that? Must be ok then, right? In fact, why not have some unprotected sex with random people while you're at it -- what could be more natural than that? STDs also happen naturally, and anyway, you won't be around forever.

And there I was believing that the biggest natural instinct we have is that of the survival of our race! I guess we're actually much more short-sighted than that.

It's just a shame that we in this country, as <2% of the world's population using >25% of the world's resources, get to decide the entire planet's fate.


Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 3:19 PM

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