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Abnormal Pap Test?

I just got a note from my doctor today saying that i need to be checked because of an abnormal Pap test...

Not that it looks cancerous, but I need to be checked out.
Has anyone else had this occur to them? I'm a bit worried, but plan to call him tomorrow. I did a little reading online and from what I've read, I should not be overly alarmed until I get the tests done. However, his note to me stated that he may need to do a biopsy....

I had an endometrial biopsy before (due to fertility issues) and had horrible cramps.

I'm hoping someone can share with me their experience and how painful it was (or was not).

The other thing is that I tend to be a worry wort... and am very concerned....

Thanks for "listening"....

Wed. Jun 14, 3:12am

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I'm sorry to hear you had an abnormal pap. At this point, just means more investigation needs to be done. About 20 years ago I had cervical dysplasia (I think that's how you spell it) which means the cervical cells were abnormal, or could be termed pre-cancerous. They did a colposcopy (just means they look at the cervix with a microscope of some sort) and took a small bit of tissue for a biopsy. I did have some cramping, but it wasn't too bad. In the end, they suggested a procedure called cryro surgery, which just means they freeze the outer layer of cells on the cervix using (I think) liquid nitrogen. Then these outer layers of cells die off and sluff off over the next week. It didn't really hurt, the biopsy was worse. Then I had to wear sanitary pads for the next week and of course abstain from sex for awhile.

The paps I've had since then have been normal, but I do get what they call a 4-quadrant pap, which means they take a sample from 4 areas of the cervix, so it's more extensive. Some doctors recommend repeated colposcopies and some other tests, and some say it's not necessary it you have normal paps. I'm not a medical person, this is just the information I remember as I experienced it and I understood it.

My situation is that I'm a DES daughter, which means that my mother took a prescribed drug called DES (I can't remember the whole name it stands for) when she was pregnant with me in the 60s. There is a higher than average incidence of cervical cancer in these now adult children, and even the male children can be affected. There are also higher rates of infertility in our group, which I have experienced.

I don't know if any of this is helpful, but I wish you the best. If you have more questions about my experiences you can post them here in this thread, I'll check back.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 5:01 AM

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I've had 3 abnormal paps:
-first time I was checked again and it ws nothing (and they did the biopsy and it hurt like nobody's business)!
-the second time I was re-examined and it was again nothing (and I REALLY started to HATE the stuid biopsies).
-the third time they found I had HPV, and the cells were rapidly getting more severly warped (though still not cancerous). They did cryosurgery on me too, and several hours later I was "defrosting" (it sounds as yucky as it is).
The bottom line, though, just get checked. Most of the time it's nothing, and even if you have HPV (a very common virus up to 80% of women have, even if they don't know yet), it's ok too. The whole process of getting re-checked is scary, but as long as your docs do great follow up, you'll be fine no matter what. Just keep getting regular paps after this, also.
Good luck!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 8:37 AM

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My wife got a note like this- everything was fine of course-- but it made her very very upset at the time. I know how you are feeling right now.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 8:40 AM

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abnormal pap smear results are so darn common. my sister in law, who is a nurse practitioner, said that pap smears are one of the most unreliable tests. (I think they have improved upon them recently). try not to stress until you talk to your dr. and have more tests done. we are here for you - keep us posted!!!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 9:10 AM

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I've had an abnormal pap test before. I went in for a re-test, and honestly, i can't even remember why it was abnormal. As the others are saying, don't panic. It's pretty common.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:07 AM

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i had an abnoramal pap recently, but i dont have insurance so i cant afford to have it checked out. ::crossing fingers:: i hope its nothing!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 1:27 PM

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To the 1:27 poster - save money as quickly as you can to be retested. If it is a more serious problem then it is very important (and well worth the money than you will spend on anything else) to get it checked.

To the OP. I had an abnormal pap about two years ago. I tested positive for HPV. I had a few more pap tests and a biopsy. The biopsy was mildly painful, but only for a second. (I would compare it to getting your belly button pierced.) My doctor finally suggested a LEEP procedure which I had late last year. The LEEP procedure was uncomfortable, but not as painful as the biopsy. I had some cramping later in the day and bleeding for a few days following. My paps since have come back fine and I am back to annual exams.

Most importantly try not to worry (I know that's easier to say that to do.), but honestly, it's not worth worrying. Most likely, you're fine, and even if there is some displaysia it is completely treatable. And the treatments are not as scary as they sound. Definitely go back in. It's not worth it to try to ignore it and let the problem get serious. It's really not that bad.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 4:01 PM

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To 1:27 poster who doesn't have insurance

Planned Parenthood and other city/county health clinics provide women's reproductive health services on a sliding scale. Please go to one of these clinics and get it checked out.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 7:32 PM

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Yes, 1:27 poster, now we are worried about you! Some cities have other free or low income clinics. You must find a way to get this checked out! Your life could depend on it. Now I will worry about you until you tell us that you are going to do what it takes and get it checked out!

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 8:19 PM

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Another comment on the biopsy if you must have one. It hurt a little, but it was nothing compared to some cramps I've had. Really not that bad.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 8:21 PM

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I also had a LEEP procedure after having an abnormal pap and a biopsy 14 years ago. The recovery was a piece of cake I had minor cramping for a day and that was it. My pap have been normal since.

To the poster with no insurance. You must, MUST get to a planned parenthood or make some calls, there are lots of doctors who will still treat you without insurance and many who will charge you on a sliding scale fee. This is not something to cross your fingers about. Without medical treatment it can turn cancerous and that would really be horrible. Also it could affect you having kids if they actually need to take a large enough section out. Don't ignore this, talk to Planned Parenthood, call some local agencies that could help you as well.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 9:12 PM

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OP here. I talked to the nurse at the doctor's office. She made me feel reassured that it could possibly be just a fluke and that the doc just wants to check and make sure that nothing more serious is going on with me. I have an appointment for next week. In the meantime, I will try not to get panicky!

To the lady who is crossing her fingers-- PLEASE, PLEASE, find a clinic that will take you for a retest! This is not something to cross your fingers about. If it's something serious, find out earlier vs. later.

One of the women I am walking the Breast Cancer 3-Day with has told me that she had a friend who was extremely obese and who found a lump in her breast.She didn't go into the doc right away, but opted to wait until her annual exam. When the doc felt the lump he sent her to surgery the next day. Unfortunately, he said it was the biggest mass he had ever taken out and she did not live much longer after that.

I know that Breast cancer is different from Cervical cancer, but either way, I'd rather be safe than sorry when it comes to my personal health! My hubby works in a Cancer research lab. It's nothing you want to take lightly... (Not saying that this is cancerous, but I'd rather find out that it's nothing vs. not knowing for sure....)

That being said, I am still kind of scared about this. I know it might just be a fluke, but I know that there could also be a possibility of it being more than that.
It's hard not to be alarmed....

Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 10:37 PM

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1:27 Poster Here!!

wow...thanks for all the responces and advice!! im currently engaged, and my fiance is getting a job with insurance. we are going to have a courthouse wedding so i can be put on his plan right away. currently we are VERY low income and that first visit to the obgyn put us back 600 dollars (b/c the pap came back abnormal the lab cost 4x as much!!!). it will be a couple months, but US healthcare sucks...theres nothing i can do. i am going to call planned parenthood tomorrow and explain to them my situation and see if they have any resonable options for me. ill check back in and let you all know after i speak with them. - 1:27 poster

Thursday, June 15, 2006, 9:04 PM

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Planned Parenthood (used to, anyway) charge on a sliding scale, according to what you can afford.

Thursday, June 15, 2006, 9:32 PM

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To Ms 1:27: Great to hear you are going to get on insurance! Any way you could just make it legal now and do the celebration later anyways? Also, a lot of docs will take credit cards - most that I know now, or you can try talking to the accounting people, explaining your situation up front, and see if you can make payments over time or take a reduced payment. It doesn't cost anything to ask. So glad you are taking our warnings to heart! You take care, girl!

Friday, June 16, 2006, 5:26 AM

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1:27 Poster

i made an appt at planned parenthood for i wish i went there to begin with, would of saved me 645 dollars!!!!! thanks for all the advice and thoughts...i cant belive i let that place slip out of my mind. i'll defintly keep everyone up to date with what happens. does anyone know if HPV effects ones libido?

Friday, June 16, 2006, 7:40 PM

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OP here.

To the 1:27 poster her, glad to hear that my question also helped you with your situation, too! :-)

My appointment is Tuesday as well. Let's hope that we are both getting good news. I will pray for you in addition to myself....

Saturday, June 17, 2006, 4:31 AM

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OP and 1:27 poster: I know this is pretty mucha dead post, but I wanted to add a few things... I just got my LEEP procedure done last Tuesday. My experience sounds similar to the OP's. I got a note from the doctor saying I had an abnormal pap and would need further testing.

My doctors kept reassuring me that it was possibly a fluke and very common. I went to have a colopscopy (sp?) where they do the biopsy-- again the doctor said I looked great, she said that the infection had probably cleared up on its own. Two days later I got a call from the doctor saying that the sample was very high grade and I needed to have part of my cervix removed (LEEP procedure). And so, less then 2 months after I found out about the abnormal pap I had the LEEP.

Bottom line- I had several health care professionals tell me not to worry that it would be fine, it was very unlikely that I would need a LEEP, that most of the time the body will get rid of the infection on its own. I'm very glad they caught it, but I'm super angry that the doctors seem to minimize this type of issue. I have spoken to quite a few women that have had similar experiences so I just wanted to let you know that bottom line, its common- no matter what the doctors say to make you feel better. Yes, it can be removed and then you're "cured" no problem- but to be rushed into surgery for something that's not that big of deal is very scary. This contradiction of clam, no problem attitude and the apparent urgency for the surgery (btw they "squeezed" me into the schedule since it was booked for 3 months) makes me think that because it is so common the severity of this condition is minimized to the patient and so some don't follow up with necessary check ups.

If either of you (or anyone else for that matter) gets the word that you need additional procedures and would like some one to talk with, please find me in the public logs- I'd be happy to tell you about my experience and give you the support I wish I had had when I found out (I was very confused and frustrated and wanted to know as much as possible about HPV and cervical dysplacia/cancer, etc.).

Good Luck to you both!


Monday, June 19, 2006, 12:53 PM

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To: 7:40pm poster...

HPV does not affect libido at all! It's a skin virus that's transmitted sexually. That's why it's so common, because it can be passed through an area not covered by condoms....but talk to your doctor if you have other concerns. It IS the number one cause of cervical cancer, if left untreated. And there are a lot of different strains of it. Nothing to be scared about, just proactive!

Monday, June 19, 2006, 1:07 PM

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Great job Ms 1:27 - I'm so happy to hear that you're taking care of things. Maybe this is a new kind of peertrainer peer pressure, if so I think it's great we can encourage one another to take care of our health!

Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 5:07 AM

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1:27 poster to Oonah

Thank you sooooo much for that post. I have been reaserching this for a while now and I couldnt find what happens AFTER you test positive to hpv. everything is just about getting the test. My appointment is today, im so excited i can go through this planned parenthood and not have to spend 1000s of dollars or WAIT till my husband gets insurance. this has been on our minds for a while now.

About the libido question, i have been having problems with my sex drive for over a year now, i can't seem to understand im trying to put the blame on my abnormal pap...i guess i need something else to blame it on!

Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 12:15 PM

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OP here...

Thanks Oonah for your comments.

I just went to the doc.

I think the reason why the doc doesn't want to alarm us is that if it is just a fluke and not anything serious, making their patient worry endlessly is not helpful. I'm lucky that my doc makes small talk to help me feel comfortable. l asked him if I needed to worry about it, he said that worrying a little is okay, but not to get too worked up unless the tests come back as more serious. (I've always been interested in medicine, so I tend to get a little on the anxious side when it comes to diagnoses about things I think might not be normal....)

Anyways, the colposcopy procedure was a lot less painful than I had imagined. (I had an endometrial biopsy before, where the doc said "oh, you'll feel a little pinch and some cramping" and it turned out to be extremely painful. This, however, was nowhere near the same-- a little pain afterwards, but not more than a mild menstrual cramp. I just can't do aerobics, or heavy lifting or use a tampon for a few days....

The doc said that things did not look too unusual, so I hope that when I get the results back on 10 days, it will also come back normal.

Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 12:34 PM

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To the 1:27 poster

How old are you? Depending on your age (I'm assuming you're in your 20s?) you might want to let your OB/GYN know about your change in sex drive. Maybe there is something hormonal going on? I think Birth Control Pills can also affect your sex drive, too. It's a good idea to get checked out to make sure that nothing else is going on in your body....

Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 12:38 PM

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to OP and 1:27

Me again....
I'm so glad both of you are getting things taken care of-- just a few more days for the results isn't so bad.

just another heads up if the results come back low grade- remeber that you need to have your paps done more frquently (every 3-6 months) until you have a couple of "normal" paps in a row. I believe the docotors said you should have at least 2 normal before it's concidered gone... but since I had the abnormal cells removed, I just have to go back every 3 months for a year to be monitored.
If either of you do have a LEEP don't worry- it's not painful at all. I've just been very exauhsted and take things a little slower then my pre-LEEP days. Each day it gets easier and I expect I'll be back to normal by the end of the week.

1:27 poster about your sex-drive... I agree with the 12:38 poster, you should talk about it with your doctor, could be something else like hormones. I know when I first found out about my abnormal pap I didn't want to have sex for about a month, then I was fine. In fact I'm kind of sorry I can't have sex right now because I'm really feeling frisky these days ;) Another possiblity- if you've been with the same partner for awhile you may just need to try a little harder to spice things up-- try going away for a night. I'm on a limited budget myself so I wouldn't go to a hotel or motel, but I can tell you that a night in the woods does wonders and it's super cheap!!!! Plus, when you're camping you can have a toasty fire to cuddle up next to.... (just try to find a camp site that's kind of isolated....).


Tuesday, June 20, 2006, 1:12 PM

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Thanks Oonah.
I'm both the OP and the 12:38 poster. :-D

And, my hubby & I LOVE camping! :-) Nothing like a walk in the woods on a beautiful day to rev up all engines! ;-)

And, if the 1:27 poster is not a woods-loving gal, I suggest going to someplace that has a small cabin. KOA Kampgrounds offer little log cabins for less than a hotel room. That way, it's soundproof, you get your walk in the woods and don't have to worry about weather either. :-D

Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 3:40 PM

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1:27 Poster

The reason i went to the OBGYN to begin with was because of my libido probems, thats when this abnormal pap thing came up. unfortunatly, the OBGYN can do nothing and tell me nothing about my libido, and told me i probley need to see a shrink. at 150 dollars a session, that aint gonna happen anytime soon! im 25 years old, me and my fiance havent had sex in 8 months!! i hear a lot of woman complain that they only want to do it once a week, once a month even...i NEVER do. my thoughts about sex is probley the same as a 11 year old boys thoughts on sex. its "icky" and i dont want part in it! i'm actaully getting quite used to it, i just know that its abnormal, and i kinda don't feel human at times. i once had what i think would be an above average drive, so i dont even feel like myself. i feel bad for my fiance, he says he doesn't mind, that he loves me and our relationship and that he has gotten used to the idea of not having sex as well. sometimes i dont belive him, sometimes i do...i just want to be "normal". i dont want to feel nasuous everytime someone talks about sex. anyways, i guess this is a bit off topic, i apperciate all your advice, but i really think once i get my insurance and i can see a therapist to get down to the mental aspect of whats making me feel/think this way.

back on topic...i went to planned parenthood 70 dollars for the pap, they will call me in 3 weeks with the results IF they are abnormal. if this thread is still alive at that point, i will definitly keep all you wonderful ladies informed!

Thursday, June 22, 2006, 4:53 PM

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to the1:27 poster from the OP.

Did something happen to you 8 months ago to make you turned off by sex? Maybe you can try to think back to when you stopped wanting it at all and seeing if something changed within your life-- more stress at work? something traumatic within your sex life or your relationship with your fiance? Did someone in your life pass away? or did something trigger a fearful childhood memory in regards to sex?

I'm not a shrink, but maybe something changed in your life to cause this change in how you perceive sex....

When did you get engaged? Could it be some cold feet from marriage preparations?

Thursday, June 22, 2006, 5:51 PM

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1:27 Poster

Hey OP!

8 months ago i got a burst of sexual energy that lasted 2 days. This used to happen every 3 months or so, but the last one was 8 months. It's been about 2 years since i was sexually normal. Honestly, i was a herion addict. After i quit doing dope i went to a community clinic and was getting free concling and it was very helpful. luanne was amazing, she would sit and talk to me for 2 sometimes 3 hours when our sessions were only posta be 1! we "opened up a can of worms" shortly before i went on a long trip, when i came back, she announced she was moving to NC. For some reason THIS is when my sex drive died. im not sure if we really "opened up a can of worms", this is what she told me we did, she said it would take time. i dont know if that makes any sence or not. but i went back months later to go to a diffenrent counsler. she hated that i always wanted to talk about my libido, she only wanted to talk about drugs, which was really annoying, b.c drugs were the OBVIOUS problem...i was intrested in the underlying problems...the things that happened from taking the drugs. i thought maybe it was a chemical imbalence, and got put on many medications, nothing worked...and i gained a lot of weight from them. woooo...thank god this board is anonomys! (sorry about the spelling) thanks for asking and caring, its great to talk about these things. i really think i just need a good consler again...boy how i miss luanne!!!

Thursday, June 22, 2006, 7:54 PM

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Wow. Sounds like you've been doing a lot to help yourself be well, and you are to be commended for that. Kicking a drug habit has got to be an extremely difficult thing! I'm sure that some of your issues with libido probably do stem from your body going onto the different meds.

Again, I'm NOT a counselor, but it sounds like maybe there were some trust issues that came up after your former counselor left--You must have opened up yourself fully to her, and when she left, it might be that you felt you couldn't open up to others as fully.... Sorry to hear that your other counselor isn't as helpful--maybe you can keep trying until you find someone who can help you in the way you need?

A number of years back, my hubby & I suffered some personal trauma in the loss of several family members in a relatively short period of time. For many months, we were like 2 pieces of driftwood floating by each other and not communicating. Our "spark" was gone, we hadn't attended grief counseling and we were not able to open up and share our own personal grief....

Then, some friends in our family (who also went to our church), dragged us to a weekend retreat for married couples. During that weekend, we learned to re-open ourselves to each other and to communicate without hurting each other--we bared our souls to each other in a trusting environment.

Let me tell you, when we left that weekend, it seemed as though a big rock had been lifted off of our chests. You see, with the grief we had been suffering, we stopped communicating and things would just bug us and wouldn't get resolved... But that retreat taught us a style of communication that really helped us to open ourselves up again and it really helped us a lot...

I hope this isn't too personal, but was your fiance an addict as well? Did he go through similar things that you went through? Maybe there are things that the 2 of you have ceased to communicate, and the trust level has backed off (in your subconscious mind?) Perhaps that's why sex seems "icky" to you now? You know, if there is something that bothers you about him and for some reason you don't trust him fully, that might be hampering your feelings about sex with him...?

Like I said, I'm not a counselor, but maybe because you were peeling back the can of worms and exposing things that were internal to you, you have been backing off, since those issues haven't been fully resolved?

Another thing-- While you were under the influence of the drugs, did you ever find yourself in a situation where you were sexually compromised? (i.e. date rape, or something along those lines? Or, maybe something from your childhood was starting to surface when your counselor was helping you work through things?) Maybe that's why even talking about it makes you feel nauseous?

I hope you can find someone to talk to who can help you feel comfortable so that you can find out what's going on....

Good luck to you... AND, I hope that both of us are told that our abnormal Paps are not anything serious!

Thursday, June 22, 2006, 11:23 PM

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1:27 Poster

To OP -

Thank you for reading my situation and taking the time to write such a wonderful reply! When I get insurance I plan on seeing a specialist in sex. When I was in my teens I had a lot of sexual issues I didn't realize at the time. I was permiscuios and had way too many partners. I don't think its nessesary to dive into the details, but I was sexually abused in my early teens. I do not blame myself, but looking back i did put myself in the situtations to allow it to happen. I never really took it seriously because of that. I still kind of don't think its a big deal, at least in my conscience mind. I always felt like it was something i got thru, and it made me a stronger person.

my fiance and i have, in my eyes, a perfect relationship (minus the sex). When we first got together I was abstenent for over a year and made him wait 3 months before I would have sex with him. At that point in my life i was dating a lot and was mature enouph to relize if i had sex with everyone i casually dated, i would loose respect from mister right when i found him if i had done all his friends. when we met i was addicted to herion. he helped me get over my addiction and took care of me in my lowest of days. he got me away from my mentally abusive mother and we got an apartment together 4 months after we had started dating. one flaw that happened is about 9 months into our relationship he got a bit scared of how fast we were moving, one day he got on a plane and left for LA with no intention of coming home. (we live in the south east us). he was gone for about 3 days. i was a wreak, he had just not come home one night and i find out the next day hes across the us! 3 days later i finally got him to call me, we spoke on the phone and he pretty much begged for my forgivness and wanetd to come home. this happens to be in the same timeline as when luanne left just a couple months after i quit doing dope. again, this is something that i dont hold alot of value on in my conscience, but i may have some kind of subconscience grudge that he left me. >shrug< who knows? this happened 2 years ago. since he came home we have been open and honest about everything. we talk about my sexual issues, we talk about his. we NEVER fight...ever. sometimes i think maybe we should fight, all of my friends that fight with there others have great sex lives. but i dont want to fight with him. i love him so much and i couldnt imagine my life without him. he is the most wonderful man for me. i have never gotten along with anyone as perfect as i do with him. i work in bars at night, and i meet tons of men everynight..and i am not attracted to a single one. in previous relationships when i have lost sexual intrest, its usually just with HIM, and i long for other men. thats not the case now at all. its not my fiance i have a problem with, its the act of sex. im sorry if the topic has steered off the abnormal pap and on to the 1:27s bedroom problems! I think typing all this out is somewhat theraputic though. I've said so much i have no idea how to wrap it up....i think im going to just post it now. thanks for reading, caring and sharing.

Friday, June 23, 2006, 1:40 AM

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Wow, it seems to me that maybe when he "left" you, that may have made you much more vunerable and sensitive to things.

I, too, find that my hubby and I almost never fight-- and am a bit amazed that those of my friends who are in "rough" relationships talk about having sex all day, all night and everywhere they can do it. I think it may be BECAUSE they lack other things in common that they make up for it in the bedroom... That's also partly why things went a bit awry during that time when we were both suffering from grief. We basically appeared "okay" on the surface, when there were far more issues that we needed to explore and open up at the time!

Like I said, I'm not a therapist, but I'm sure that your past history probably has something to do with how you are feeling now. Maybe somewhere deep inside, you took your own advice to heart--the idea that if you had sex that you'd lose respect? I wonder if subconsciously, you are saying to yourself-- if you go back to enjoying sex and opening yourself back up to him, he might leave you again?

From what I've heard from friends who have suffered sexual abuse or promiscuity as a young adult--a lot of their behavior has to do with low self-esteem and feelings of self-worth. In other words, because they felt bad about themselves, they became promiscuous.. but when they finally feel well, they became abstinent? Do you know that I mean? In other words, they needed love and affection and when it wasn't there, they equated sex with that love and affection? From what you've said about your mom being mentally abusive, It seems to me like maybe she contributed to your (maybe subconscious) feelings of self-worth...

I do hope that you go to a therapist or find some way to work out your issues with your fiance and/or your situation, so that you can have a better balance both in and out of the bedroom....

Are you planning to get married soon? Moving in within 4 months of meeting, is pretty quick (well, to me, anyways). Sounds like your relationship is still evolving.

Again, I don't mean to pry, and I am NOT a therapist. but when you moved in with your fiance, did you lose a lot of friends in the process? Did he literally "take you away" from your situation at the time? Not to say that he was necessarily being controlling or anything, but if he took you away from family (bad or good) and friends, when he left you, you must have felt the same amount of abandonment or let-down that you may have been feeling for many years because your mom wasn't the support you needed in your life...

I'm glad that my writing has helped you. Did you ever try to contact or stay in touch with Luanne after she left? or was it something that wasn't possible? Maybe in some way, she became the mother figure that you longed to have in your own mother, and again, once she left, you felt "abanadoned" and withdrew back into your own shell. If you think about it that way, it may make a lot more sense as to why things changed rapidly when she went away....In your subconsciously, she may have crossed the line from therapist to becoming someone bigger in your life....

Hope things are going well for you today...Take care! :-)

OP... :-)

Friday, June 23, 2006, 9:53 AM

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to 127

i was on a number of different mood-altering medications and mental health medications and my sex drive went away when i started and has not come back, yet. that was over 2 years ago.

Friday, June 23, 2006, 11:02 AM

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OP here

My doctor just called me. He told me that I had a form of mild dysplasia. However, he recommended that I just make a follow-up pap smear in 6 months vs. doing any type of more aggressive treatment at this time. From what he told me, the dysplasia could just go away and be a fluke, but that's what the follow-up pap is for. He also said that it would not affect fertility (but that if we have to do things to the cervix, then it might.

To the 1:27 poster-- any news on your test yet? I hope things are going okay for you.

Sunday, June 25, 2006, 2:13 PM

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1:27 here

sorry its taken so long for my reply.

to 11:02 - has anything else happened in your life/relationship besides the meds? im curious b/c again with my timeline of events that happened with i stopped wanting to have sex was i started medications. so maybe we are in the same boat...maybe not. what meds did you take?

to OP - what is dyspasia? hope everything is okay with you, i'll find out my results in another 2 weeks.

i think we are going to get married within the next month or so to be honest. he is going off to school, and we would like to be married so when he gets his insurance in 90 days ill be right on it! we arent too into the big celebration thing, we feel like we pretty much are already married, this will just give me the benifit of having insurance. him and i pretty much have the same group of friends, so he definitly didnt take me away from them. he isn't as social as me and its hard to get him out of the house to do things with other people, but i make small progresses. we went and played video games at a couples house last night and had a great time. it made me really happy actually, i hope i can get him out more in the future.

another thing to add to the timeline of events/things that happend on or around the time that i lost my intrest....when i was 15 my father got married to a witch who wouldnt let him talk to me anymore. previous to that me and my father got along wonderful, we have a lot in common and i always loved my visits with him up north (id go for months at a time). loosing my father was really hard on me, i think that had a lot to do with my per-mis-q-i-tee (sorry i spell awful)as a teen. also i had HUGE abandonment issues. well in august 2004 i went to a family reunion and my dad came down for a day to see me. this was the 1st time i had seen him in 8/9 years!! (except for my uncles wedding in 99 where he was there but didnt talk to me, or look at me the whole time...aka the worst day of my life). dad and i email often...kinda sneaking behind the wifes back, which is weird. i dont know why she hates me so much. my past sucks...anyways, anyone of thse things could be a factor, or it could be something im completely unaware of. just thought id add more complication into the mix here. but really after typing this out im just happy im not a complete proud of myself that i have defeted my depression and no longer need to take medications to feel normal. i've overcome a lot of things, and im living a life with no unneeded complications, drama or stress. overall, for the 1st time in a very long time i can say im truley only complaint is i wanna do the sex thing again! hehe...

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 1:43 PM

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to 127 from 1102

just a thought-maybe the combination of meds and the loss of a relationship w/ your father weakened your sex drive...the meds definitely did it for me, but i had also just ended a heavy 2 year relationship, and i was really needing to be nurtured and taken care of emotionally. the lack of a sex drive was great for me during that time, because i may have sought comfort in the arms (or bed) of a stranger, since i was at the time very lonely and depressed. perhaps it was my body's self-defense mechanism to "shut it off" while i healed emotionally?

i was on topomax, seroquel, zyprexa, lithium, prozac, risperdal, and abilify (at different times, and with some combinations). now i take no meds. the worst side effect for me was tremendous weight gain (50 pounds in 6 months).

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 2:02 PM

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to 1:27...

Dysplasia is when the cells are a little abnormal. I guess it's kind of a common thing, but the doc didn't think that it was serious enough at this time to warrant any type of aggressive treatment. (look online and you'll see a lot of info under "abnormal pap smears")

Glad to hear you are getting married--Even thought you may not think it's a big step, it really is a commitment to your future together.

May I suggest that even if you do the Justice of the peace thing, you should have a little shin dig for friends and family. No big wedding hall / banquet if that's not your style, but how about just getting some friends to your local metro park for a BBQ? You should celebrate your marriage--it's really NOT the same as just being together. By making that commitment to each other, you're saying to yourselves and to the world that you are no longer going to look around to see if someone better is out there. A public celebration with family and friends shows "the world" that you've committed to each other.

One of my friends had a backyard wedding with about 30 of her family and friends-- she did not want the big fuss and craziness of the huge wedding banquet. However, she felt no less excited at going down the 30 foot runner to be united under the canopy of the tree in her back yard. It was lovely, and they just did the burger and hot dogs thing--As friends it was nice to celebrate with them--plus she had a few friends being her official "photographers" for the day, so that when her kids are older, she can show them the wedding pictures and share that moment with her kids. It was fun and relaxed--we all wore our summer outfits and just enjoyed the day with the bride & groom. (She did have a nice wedding cake--made by a friend.)

Sorry to hear about your "step monster" (as one of my friends calls hers).... I guess it is a lot more common than you think--I think that some stepmothers feel that they are being threatened by "competition" for their husband's love. They chose to keep him under their control so that he doesn't have the opportunity to spend any of his love on other women in their lives. (Does that make any sense)? One of my best friends no longer speaks to her dad because her stepmom has been so mean and controlling towards her. She just shrugs it off now--but it's really up to him to change the stepmom's behavior and he apparently is okay with the situation, or he would talk to her (the step mom) about her behavior.

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 2:10 PM

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OP and 1:27

Oonah again.

I'm so glad your results came back mildly abnormal OP. 1:27 any word on yours? I just got the confirmation from my dr that they got all the dyspasia and that there was no cancer. Woot! Now I go back back in 6 months for another coloscopy (sp?). OP when did they tell you to go back?

1:27--sorry to hear about you past, it very well could have something to do with what's going on right now. I would check around your local community to see if there is a "help" center for pschological needs. I know MN offers several mental health programs for individuals that don't have insurence or can't afford mental health services. Check it out, it's worth a shot. (look for non-profit orginizations, help-lines, etc- even check with woman's shelters- even though you're not in an abusive relationship they may be ablr to point you in the right direction for some help).

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 5:40 PM

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OP here

Doctor told me to come back in 6 months. He wants to keep an eye on things, since it may just clear up and be a fluke.

I was reading online and it said that lack of folic acid could contribute to the dysplasia, so I'm going to try to keep my vitamins up!

How long did it take for yours to clear?

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:07 PM

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OP: I had it surgically removed-- I was high risk.

And yes folic acid does help-- you can also get it by eating beans (chick peas, navy beans, black beans, kindey, etc).


Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:18 PM

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11:02 - hmmm....i also took ablify and seroquel. gained a lot of weight as well.

OP - i really don't want to mix familys and friends...i may have a friend party (the people you CHOOSE to be in your life) and just send the family a card or something? when i told my mother i was getting married she said..."plan your divorce now while you still like eachother." i dont want her near my celebration. shes miserable, and expects me to be as well to make herself feel better. thats why i got the hell out of her house!! for the friends is most likey gonna happen though. makes me all nervous inside thinking about it, i dont like to be the center of attention, it goes to my head.

Oo - test results in 2 weeks...IF they are im hoping NO TEST RESULTS! for the counsling it's usually 150$ an hour, and im a weekly visit kinda case, so thats pretty expensive! I'll definitly check into the community centers!! 1st thing tomorrow, phone book open!

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 7:23 PM

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If your family is not a positive influence, then I don't blame you for not wanting to have them around. I had a friend who invited everyone BUT his dad because his father was such a negative influence on him (his father was alcoholic and treated him like crap--because he was the only boy, and the youngest.) So, on his wedding day, he had his mom and sisters and friends.

I say that you should invite the people who are positive in your life. If your family is that negative towards you and their presence makes you that miserable, then maybe they don't need to share in that important day. That's especially true if you and your fiance are springing for the bill of the party.

Oh, and another idea if you are strapped for cash-- I think one of our friends did a potluck BBQ for their wedding. They couldn't afford much, so, rather than not have their friends with them on their big day, they had the friends chip in and make it one of the most special days in their lives. :-) Hopefully, someday you'll be 90 and look back with fondness on your start with your hubby and prove your mom wrong.

Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 11:29 PM

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Hi again, I am actually the 2nd and 10th poster, I'll call myself 8:19, who said I was worried about you, 1:27, and I'm so glad you have been for tests!

Wow, 1:27, you've been through a lot. Many people find that antidepressants kill their sex drive. I have had some trouble with this myself and so have my friends so we've all had to try different medications. I don't know if just getting off of them will always restore that to normal levels.

There is low cost counseling available in a lot of communities, it doesn't have to cost $150 and hour. Keep trying different resources and counselors until you find one who feels right to you. This can take some time, but keep trying. Having that person who is real and who you can depend on to guide you through these tough issues is crucial. We are happy to listen to you here but we aren't trained counselors and this is heavy stuff so we don't want to say the wrong things. I'm so glad you are feeling better and that you have such a wonderful man in your life, that is a huge blessing. I'm thinking of you and wishing you the best.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 4:29 AM

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Seroquel, there is a class action law suit over this stuff. Everyone who has taken it should check it out. The side affects of this are terrible, my hubby was supposed to take this for something else but after reading about it he said no way and didn't take anything, he's fine now.
I have lost all track of who who is, but this is for the lady without the sex drive. I am a recovering drug addict of 18 years. I kicked the habit myself and lost all my sex drive shortly after that. I didn't need counseling to know the reason for my drug habit, which was that I was violently raped by 2 guys (friends) when I was 13. I was angry at every guy out there and slept with them all as pay back. Pay back so I was the one in control. My raged turned to drugs and how I could be different when on them. This went on for 15 years. Being clean has helped me get through a lot and see things so clearly. Sex to me was always connected to violence, drugs and being able to keep my distance from from anyone wanting to get close to me. I used it as a tool to avoid anyone getting to close. It took a long time for me to let a man or anyone close enough to feel anything. So it took a long time and a lot of work to be able to allow myself to be loved and feel trust again. Once that happened I was able to really experience sex as it should be and not what I had thought it was. I think you need time, how long have you been clean? In my experience drugs is always the coverup for something way bigger and much more powerful. You should search out another counselor, there are so many organizations out there that offer free help. United Way, Catholic Community Services (you don't have to have their beliefs), Jewish Community Services. Any of those can give you names of local agencies willing to offer help as well. My suggestion to you is to keep looking for someone you feel a connection with and work out what you need to. I wish you luck.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 10:15 AM

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11:02 for 1:27

when i had financial problems and was still struggling with my mental health problems, i went to my state's division of human resources and was able to gather a lot of information about free seminars for people who have my affliction, state and community service clinics-most were free, some on a sliding scale fee, if you are employed-also which doctors provide free counselling (you'd be surprised how many actually will see you for free and then help you get further help based on your needs). there are many avenues to go down, it just takes a lot of patience and researching. good luck!

to the op-orange juice is now fortified with folic acid, too. best wishes!

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 10:16 AM

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11:02 again

just a note-if you are able to locate a seminar in your area for people who are afflicted in the same way(s) you are, i highly recommend attending. there you will find other people who are living with similar situations as you and it's a great place to find out where to get help. try looking into college/university psychology departments for lectures that are relevant. these are usually free and open to the public-or you could inquire with the department chairman.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 10:20 AM

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1:27 Here

10:15 - I have been clean for about 2 years. I really relate to your story. I had extreamly simular rape situation, and i think i reacted the same way you did. Sex also for me was connected to drugs and violence, but now that my life isnt like that anymore, i guess i just dont understand sex now. Thanks for sharing your story. this is the best thread ever, you woman are all wonderful!

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 1:58 PM

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abnormal Pap Test

Don't fret, most are just a problem when collecting the cells on the swab. Do the other tests that your doctor suggests just to clear your mind. Been there done that will probably be your motto after you are done.

Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 2:09 PM

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Hi all,
OP here.

I just was checking back to see how the 1:27 poster was doing... Have you received your results yet? I hope that things look up for you--both in the test and in your personal life as well.

Thursday, July 06, 2006, 12:41 AM

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1:27 here

still have another week till i get a call or not. ill keep you posted! hopefully i wont get a call, that means its allllllll goooooooood.

Friday, July 07, 2006, 3:53 PM

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Congrats, 1:27 poster, for taking care of your health!

Friday, July 07, 2006, 9:40 PM

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To 1:27

I suggest that even if you don't get a call, you should follow up with the doc anyways. :-)

Saturday, July 08, 2006, 2:03 AM

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Abnormal Pap Test

I had abnormal paps several times back in the late 90's and it scared the hell out of me.
Just like others, the pap was described to my as "level 1, cervical cell dysplasia," which is a medical term for saying abnormal cells. The first time I was "diagnosed," I went back three months later for another pap and then a colposcopy several weeks later. A colposcopy is basically a more comprehensie pap test. I was told that I had HPV, or the Human Papiloma Virus. This virus has a number of strains, several of which cause cervical cancer. The colpo showed that I did in fact have pre-cancerous cells and then I had a LEEP procedure where they take this loop-like device and basically scrape the abnormal cells off of my cervix. Fun times. It is an out-patient procedure where they actually put you under anesthesia. After that, my paps were normal for about a year. I then had another abnormal pap, and yet another colpo. That colpo came out normal, thank god and I have had no problems since then, so it looks like the LEEP cleared it all up.
I actually had a doctor back in 2002 tell me that I had the healthiest cervix she's ever seen. Hmmm...
I'm not sure if this is a direct result, but weight loss, and eating a LOT of yogurt (low fat, of course), with live active yogurt cultures is one way to keep your ENTIRE body healthy, not just your intestines.
So, good luck with your colpo if that's the route that they take and make SURE to follow their directions of pap tests every 3-6 months after your colpo, or whatever procedure you have.
I have a friend who is a survivor of cervical cancer, that is just something you can't mess around with.
I don't think I have HPV anymore, as my ex-husband and current boyfriend have both been tested and came up clear. Make sure that you get tested for that on a regular basis as well.

Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 8:57 AM

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1:27-how are you doing?

Monday, July 17, 2006, 1:34 PM

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The Pap Smear is actually the gold standard of true positive and true negative results,
however all tests will have false positives (which yours could be) and false negatives (which are really bad news).

Don't worry yet. They try to keep the false positives higher than the false negatives for your safety.

Everything should be fine. Even if something is wrong, it's good that they are catching it now.

Monday, July 17, 2006, 2:19 PM

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1:27 Here

well i guess my pap came out fine this time. so this whole thing was a huge waste of money and unneeded stress. i can't help but think of all the things i could of done with 640 dollars. :/

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 12:39 PM

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please don't consider the test a waste of money-you now have peace of mind that all is okay. that is priceless!

this may be helpful in the future...i downloaded it from a google search.

I don't have health insurance, how can I get a free or low-cost Pap test?

Programs funded by the National Breast and Cervical Cancer Early Detection Program (NBCCEDP) offer free or low-cost Pap tests to women in need. These and other programs are available throughout the United States. To find contact information for a program near you, visit the NBCCEDP website at or call 1-888-842-6355 (select option 7). Also, your state or local health department can direct you to places that offer free or low-cost Pap tests.

Planned Parenthood offers low-cost Pap tests as well. To find the Planned Parenthood office in your area, call 1-800-230-7526 or visit their website at:

Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 12:43 PM

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please help

My name is Cindy. I just turned 21 and I have a BIG problem.

I have been sexually active since I was 18.
I have had 2 partners and I have been with my 2nd parter, my boyfriend for almost a year.
I have always had a wonderful sex drive (never any problems with lubrication, etc.)


about 3 months ago I went in for my annual gyno exam. To make a long story short
-found out I had irregular pap smear
-It was HPV (got it from my now boyfriend-he has genital warts)-had COLOSCOPY
-moderate dysplasia-had LEEP procedure (which went terribly-bled alot-very scary)

SO BASICALLY these past 3 months have been hell with doctors appointments and procedures.
And although the LEEP procedure ended up being very painful & LONG...ALL THE abnormal cells were removed

SO NOW I know I'm healthy and okay but ever since that one phone call from the gyno telling me I had an irregular
our sex life has not been the same.
I don't have a sex drive.
I convince myself too but then I cant get lubricated.
Its really horrible and embaressing. My BF yells at me and says
im not sexually attracted to him anymore but I AM. I just have like no sex drive and that SUCKS?

I'm panicking. Why is this happening? I have forgiven him and everything. My gyno says its mental ( and i guess it has to be because it all started happening after all of this crap happened). She told me just in time everything will be okay but in the meantime I am going crazy. Is this going to be like this for the rest of my life? I have bought lube without him knowing but its not the same. I feel really horrible.

FYI- I was on OVCON- now im completely off of birthh control because it was making me crazy!



Saturday, October 21, 2006, 7:14 AM

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First, if your boyfriend is yelling at you about this, that is a major red flag. you need to talk to him about how upset this is making you to have to deal with all of these health issues. if you already have and he is acting this way, maybe you *don't* want to have sex with him anymore because he is an insensitive asshole. You have every reason in the world to feel nervous about your health. You are doing everything right, though, and it doesn't sound like anything you have is going to have permanence. My main concern is your asshole boyfriend.

Saturday, October 21, 2006, 9:15 AM

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Maybe your asshole boyfriend is the real issue here. Knowing that you got this from him, which I find odd, I didn't realize HPV could be gotten from genital warts, but knowing that you got this from him could be driving you to not really want to risk being with him. But if he can't seem to understand and have some compassion for you or the situation he put you in without yelling and complaining then you should dump him. You deserve to be treated better and it sounds like he thinks only of himself. And FYI there is nothing wrong with using lube. Turn it into a game so you don't have to hide it. Slick it on him and give him a hand job, he should enjoy that and hey maybe he won't even want sex after and you are off the hook. But don't take that kind of abuse from him.

Saturday, October 21, 2006, 11:47 PM

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Mental abuse is just as bad if not worse than physical abuse....

If your boyfriend can't figure out that these procedures have scared you and that you may be subconsciously (or consciously) worried about your health than you need to find someone who won't be as insensitive.

I agree. He's the asshole. Find yourself a new man who won't be such a jerk to you if he doesn't start realizing that your sex drive issue may not be directly because of him....

If you feel horrible, then his words/actions are abusive.... Don't let him "bully" you into sex if you have other worries on your mind...

Sunday, October 22, 2006, 1:18 AM

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To the 11:47 from Oct. 21; genital warts ARE a form of HPV (of which there are about 100 forms, around 30 of which can be sexually transmitted. 6 and 11 are the genital warts culprits). HPV is the Human Papillomavirus, not to be confused with HIV. And for everyone reading this, it is one of the most common sexually transmitted infections out there (an estimated 20 million Americans). It usually shows no symptoms. Many of you will have it and not know it. It is extremely important to be screened for it (a Paps Smear is the most common method), as HPV is the direct cause of over 90% of cervical cancer.

The good news is threefold, however. Cervical cancer developes in only one percent of those which HPV as it is caused by particular types (16, 18, 31, and 45). Secondly, a woman's immune system typically returns normal Pap results on its own within two years (as it is a virus it is still in fact there, just not manifesting. You will still need to use protection to avoid infecting a partner.) Lastly, and most exciting, the FDA approved Gardasil in June, a vaccine for the HPV types causing genital warts and 70% of all cervical cancer was approved. To all of you, please check into this option to see if it's appropriate for you.

A lot of these posts have focused on the mental side of things. Obviously this is very important. But it's all interconnected. I know none of us would be here if we weren't interested in our physical health as well, so please ladies; we need to spend a bit of time researching our own bodies. If we spent even a tenth of the time learning about STIs, prevention, and sexual well-being that we spend reading diet articles in magazines at the check-out, we'd all be better off. I see a lot of ill-informed comments floating around on this site regarding some very serious issues, and while I know it's all put out there with the best of intentions, only trust what you hear from a medical professional or a RELIABLE source; medical journals, the Planned Parenthood website, etc. You'll find some great ones designed for teens that I found helpful when I started this journey as they are to the point, in layman's terms, and in a friendly format ('s "Infection Section" springs to mind) And WIKIPEDIA DOES NOT COUNT. Anyone can upload anything they want to that site, so tread with caution. My point is, the internet is an incredible tool of impowerment for us. Think of the information at our fingertips, available in seconds, that our mothers and grandmothers simply could not get or received in shamed whispers of misinformation.

I feel very passionately about this issue as someone who experienced sexual assault. I did not take responsibility for my sexual health for years due to fear (of what I might have), shame (blame that one on religion, guys), and flat-out ignorance. The internet was my portal; a private way to inform myself as I became more capable of handling the truth. In time, I was able to find a wonderful gynecologist and now am happy to say that I take complete resposibility for my sexual and reproductive health. This, in turn was a major step in the mental healing process. See? A virtuous cycle! As woman, we must inform ourselves. Knowledge is power.

Sunday, October 22, 2006, 5:58 AM

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OP to the 5:58 poster...

Thanks for a great post.

It is far better to educate ourselves rather than to shrink from reality with fear! After all, if we don't take care of our own bodies, who will?

I have tried not to get too scared about my abnormal Pap, as I have read articles about how it can be a common occurrance---in the meantime, I am trying to increase my health by taking vitamins, exercising and trying to eat more healthy and organic foods. I figure that anything to help myself to gain better health will be better for me overall....

Monday, October 23, 2006, 12:10 AM

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Definitely call to be rechecked. I have had several abnormal paps due to a STD. An abnormal pap gives the doctor a "re-flag" something isn't as it should be. Abnormal paps are indications to the doctor that there is an STD, cancerous cells, etc. Sometimes it's not much of anything. If you listen to any good advice in your lifetime, do get another appointment to (at the very least) discuss your concerns. There is nothing wrong with being a "worry-wort" about your health. My Mom is my family doctor's nurse so she has helped my understanding a lot of this area.
In my situation, I actually had to have my cervix frozen about 8 months back. They did another pap smear about 3 months after the freezing and it came back normal. In any case, just talk with your doctor; they know best. Good luck and don't worry!

Tuesday, February 12, 2008, 3:57 PM

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abnormal paps

recently, i had several abnormal paps4 now and the last onewas asc-us. told it was hpv how long does it take for this to go away ive been suffering since2005 i feel sick im so tired started losing my hair i also have endomerosis ive put on 10 pounds now around my stomach i feel bloated too help! anyone having this

Thursday, October 08, 2009, 10:02 PM

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abnormal paps

recently, i had several abnormal paps4 now and the last onewas asc-us. told it was hpv how long does it take for this to go away ive been suffering since2005 i feel sick im so tired started losing my hair i also have endomerosis ive put on 10 pounds now around my stomach i feel bloated too help! anyone having this

Thursday, October 08, 2009, 10:02 PM

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to the person without insurance

i went through the breast cancer coalition known as the bcc which gives a pap too and any abnormal paps will be paid through that program .god bless you i hope everything turns out good.....

Thursday, October 08, 2009, 10:07 PM

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Abnormal Pap

Hi girls,
I am 26 years old and got a abnormal pap test. My gyn wants to do another pap in 6months. Should I demand for one sooner? I am a married mother with 2 kids. Never have had a abnormal type of test of anything before :-\ Any advice?

Thank you,

Friday, November 19, 2010, 9:20 PM

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I have had several abnormal paps, I had a colposcopy, also had some abnormal cells removed in my vaginal area. You should get retested in 6months; 3 months isn't long enough for your cells to replenish and they may come back healthy; that is the advice my GYN has always given me; I am 57yrs old and pretty healthy.
Good Luck to you!!

Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:51 PM

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How are you doing currently?? I am also a worrier but so far I have been well; My gyn has me tested every 6mos. I have had abnormal paps for 5yrs. I have failth in my doctor. I have had a colposcopy, biopsy and had a laser procedure to remove some irreg. cells on my vaginal wall; I am doing very well.

Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:54 PM

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