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Sorry if that's spelt wrong.
Anyways I'd like to hear from anyone who has had a colonostic. Why did you have it done? Your experience with it. Was it helpful for you?
Mon. Jul 31, 8:09am
Are you talking about a colonic or a colonoscopy?
Monday, July 31, 2006, 9:13 AM
Before asking a question you should probably take a few minutes to get the right word don't you think!
Monday, July 31, 2006, 11:52 AM
to july 31, 11:52 am poster
very rude and unproductive!! there are many ways to politely present your question.
to the op: if you mean colonoscopy, i can offer my experiencial advise.
Monday, July 31, 2006, 12:09 PM
I think the OP means colonic (cleaning, or flushing out your colon):
In which case, I can tell you that I had a terrible experience, my "hydrotherapist" was aggressive and she paid little to no attention to how I was feeling. I felt like I had been violated, it was so bad.
Others I know, however, have had it and say they feel like a million bucks afterward. I went in on no one's recommendation. Bad choice! What city do you live in? Maybe someone here on PT can give you a great recommendation of a place they like.
Good luck! ;)
Monday, July 31, 2006, 12:30 PM
I don't think there's any proof that colonics have any health benefits, but if they make you feel better, and they're done carefully, in a safe environment with sterile equipment, I doubt there's much harm. (The way nature intends for you to keep your colon healthy is by eating lots of fruit & vegetables.)
If your doctor has recommended a colonoscopy (which is a diagnostic tool) you should get one. Medlineplus (see link) has more information.
Monday, July 31, 2006, 12:47 PM
Hey, I'm getting my first colonic in a few days...I've been building up the courage for over a year.
I used to know someone who did them for a living. His evidence is anecdotal rather than empirical, but apparently they can relieve all kinds of weird chronic conditions that you would never associate with your colon. He said the most common "weird" one was lower back pain. Something about blockages causing bulges in your colon that can press against the nerves and vertebrae from the inside, in a way that a chiropractor can't fix. Anyway, I'm getting one because I ate like hell all my life and want to have a clean slate (slate = colon) to work with now that I've adopted healthier habits.
A little tip I heard from the colonic hydrotherapist as well as other holistic sources -- starting the day with a cup of hot water with a squeeze of lemon is a natural cleanser for your intestines. So, OP, maybe you should try that for a while to see if it has the effect you're aiming for.
Monday, July 31, 2006, 2:31 PM
Wow there has just been so many people shutting down questions on this board! Maybe its the same person lol
and I asked because I'd only heard about it!!!! I was thinking about a colonic...
Thanks for the helpful comments!!!
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 8:18 AM
Unfortunately, I think the anonymous posting gives some people the idea that they can just be indescriminately rude without any repercussions.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 8:55 AM
it's a funny thing that the word "accountability" is in the title of this site!
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 9:09 AM
Eh, when you're depriving yourself of things like sugar, butter, french fries, caffeine, etc., you're bound to get a little crabby. Might be a good idea to find a little pity for someone who has nothing better to do with their time than type a nasty opinion about something they have no first-hand knowledge of.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 12:33 PM
hey, excuse me, but i am deprived, too!!! i still do not feel the need to blast other people. while having pity may be the most compassionate thing to do, it's also helpful to let someone know how their comments may affect others...that energy could be redirected into some form of physical expression instead.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 12:38 PM
is a colonic like an enema??
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 12:39 PM
Interesting that so many on this board seem to feel "deprived" of food. Maybe it's time to stop looking at what you are moving away from (fries, junk that bloats you, sugar and a sedentary life) and start looking at what you are GAINING! If you continue to look at this process as a deprivation rather than a clear benefit to you for the rest of your life, you will relapse. No one will go through life feeling deprived voluntarily for any real length of time.
Regarding the colonic: Find someone who is willing to talk with you up front and address all your concerns, as well as tell you all the possible benefits and risks. If you don't find a connection and sense of professionalism, move on to the next prospect. If you can get a personal recommendation from someone, that's almost always the best way to go! Keep in mind, a colonic is just a step in gaining better colon health. It needs to be backed up with continued good habits before and after.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 1:50 PM
Yes a colonic is like an enema
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 2:03 PM
No, a colonic is not much like an enema. An enema only "cleans out" a relatively small portion of the area just inside the rectum, and requires the person to actively retain the water. A colonic pumps about 15 gallons of water in one part of the tube and out the other part (so you don't fill up!!), dragging with it anything that's been stuck in your colon/lower intestine like chewing gum - hah, maybe even real chewing gum if you swallow that stuff! My colonic place suggests eating corn the night before so they can gauge how efficient your system is. Oh, here's the gross part about the colonic -- they actually LOOK at what gets pumped out of you, and they comment on it (not like "eww!!", but more like "you don't eat much fiber, do you").
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 2:31 PM
is it painful the first time? what are the follow-up instructions?
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 3:03 PM
It's not painful - do you think all those Hollywood actresses trying to get a totally flat belly right before the Oscars would do it if it hurt? The instructions afterwards depend on the results (meaning: what comes out of you). Sometimes they want you back in a month for a follow-up colonic if it's your first time, otherwise they just tell you that twice a year is a good habit (though some will try to sell you on a quarterly program).
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 3:10 PM
thanks for the info!! (by the way, i think many hollywood actresses would do just about anything to look good!!!)
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 3:21 PM
how expensive is a colonic? Does insurance ever cover it? how do you find a place that does this? Are they doctors?
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 4:28 PM
As with all personal holistic health services (massage, personal training, private yoga, etc), most insurance plans do not cover it. Not sure about those medical flex spending accounts though - they have more leeway, so call and ask.
In NYC, they run $90-160. The I'm using is $110 and includes a consultation with a naturopathic doctor. The colonic should be administered either by a doctor (more expensive) or a certified colonic hydrotherapist. They all use disposable tubing, which you should be able to see them unwrap.
Since asking people if they've ever had a colonic usually gets you an "ew, why would I ever do that? why would YOU want to do that??", I had a look around the websites of holistic/alternative health centers. I normally would look via certifying authorities, but you only get the name of a qualified person, not the clinic that employs them.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 5:43 PM
Also - since they will be pumping water up in there at a relatively high pressure and sticking a tube further up than you would normally want one - there is a very real danger of perforation of the intestine or colon. Make sure the place you go has a good safety record and experienced, qualified technicians.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 6:49 PM
2:31 poster,a question
i ALWAYS swallow my gum. do you think it's sitting inside me?
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 8:23 PM
I have no idea if your old gum is literally gumming you up...but I used to have a client who did colonics for a living and he made an offhand reference to it once. That's pretty much how I know more about colonics than the average joe.
Tuesday, August 01, 2006, 9:30 PM
No, your chewing gum does not sit around in your colon. http://www.snopes.com/oldwives/chewgum.asp
See the link below for what the Mayo Clinic has to say about "colon cleansing"
Wednesday, August 02, 2006, 8:49 AM
Well of COURSE the western medical establishment isn't going to recommend things that might keep you out of their office! They haven't studied it, so it's not in their arsenal. Oh yes, it's not patentable, therefore not commercially viable. The recommendations on fiber and water are great though. ;)
Warning: This next little bit is kind of gross!
In a significantly creepy medical study done on cadavers it showed that the average person carries around over 20 POUNDS of feces that is "in process". If you have colon issues, it's usually much more. For example, John Wayne, when he died of colon cancer had over 40 pounds of feces that was waiting to get out. If someone wants to flush things out a bit, more power to them, if they do it safely.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006, 11:50 AM
to those who have had a colonic
do you think an enema is a good place to start if you are not used to things in that area?
Wednesday, August 02, 2006, 11:55 AM
To the 11:50am poster...
I'm getting a colonic on Saturday. Should be interesting to see what the scale does. I'm not doing it for the immediate weight loss benefit, but apparently you lose 8-10 lbs on average (I'm sure some of that comes back as you eat and "refill"). If I lose more, then I'll feel assured that I probably needed it more than most - though not as much as John Wayne apparently did!
Wednesday, August 02, 2006, 5:04 PM
I had my first colonic on Saturday
I've posted extensively in this thread...since no one appears to have actually had one, here's what I've written in my logs about it.
Be Warned -- sensitive souls might find my frankness too graphic.
Colonic administered at 7pm on Saturday. Notes are:
"Okay, 1st colonic over, will have 2 more over the next 10 days. When you first start getting these, it apparently takes 3 sessions to clear it all out, including his nasty black rubber tire-like lining. Blech. So for the first part, I laid on a short exam table curled up in the fetal position on my left side. She inserted a little speculum and then the tubes. Then I laid there for a sec while some intestinal gas is released (no noise, no smell - it goes into the tube). Then some water is flushed up the colon until I felt like I was going to crap on the spot, then the technician released it bit by bit, all the while massaging my back with one of those Sharper Image vibrating things. She did this about 5 times while on my side and another 5 times while lying on my back. She made comments about what was coming out...like when suddenly there was an avalanche, or it was all liquid, or whatever. The weirdest feeling was a burning sensation, which she said was a pocket of acid being flushed. I had 2 big pockets and 2 small ones apparently. I asked why she couldn't do my whole colon in one visit, and she explained that the colon gets tired and stressed from the procedure and stops cooperating after a while. She warned me that I might feel tired afterwards because of how hard my intestines were working. Anyway, the grand finale involved her filling me up with water and then telling me to go hang out on the toilet for a while. She warned me that I probably wouldn't notice any weight loss immediately because the colon holds onto the water. Anyway, like most people who've never had this done before, I'll need 2 more to clear it all out completely, and then if I want I can go quarterly or whatever for maintenance. So the bottom 2 feet of my colon are in great shape right now, and I shouldn't have had that ice cream binge."
Update for today: it's now been 48 hours...I haven't lost a single pound nor have I, ahem, moved my bowels in that time. Guess the untouched parts of my colon are pretty inefficient. I've got my 2nd one lined up for Wednesday. They're trying to sell me on a series of 8 visits for full organic detoxification - what a surprise. But I know that the first 3 are the real deal.
Why am I doing this? (1) improved digestion and nutrient absorption, which I hope will aid with weight loss, and (2) all those additives in so much of our food make me wonder what happens if they fester inside my body...but I really can't see myself going organic.
Monday, August 07, 2006, 7:39 PM
So, can you take a laxative and get the same benefit ?
more weight loss?
Monday, August 07, 2006, 8:16 PM
No, you can't just take a laxative. Laxatives don't improve the absorption and ability of your body to filter out things that are bad for you. It doesn't clean you out, it just empties you. The junk around the edges the above poster was talking about stays put and the goo in the middle comes out. Laxatives can mess with your electrolyte balance, cause major cramping and be habit forming. It's one of the ways that people tend to move towards an eating disorder, like purging only you don't vomit the food up, you just get rid of it on the toilet.
Monday, August 07, 2006, 10:44 PM
Neither laxatives nor colonics really "clean" your colon any more than eating a healthy, high-fiber diet and drinking lots of water would. Your body does all of this naturally, and unless you have diverticulitis or another intestinal issue, you don't have "stuff" lining your colon or pockets of anything. Yes, food does sit in your intestines for a little while - that's where the nutrients are absorbed by your body. Cleaning all of that out might cause temporary weight loss, but there are no other health benefits. That being said, if it makes you happy, an occasional colonic probably will not actually harm you, and unlike laxatives, you probably won't become dependent on it.
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 8:43 AM
I'm doing all these colonics to kick off a high-fiber diet and keep things clean naturally. I want to start off with a nice, clear tract. I also come from a family with colon problems and consider this a good preventative measure.
As for other health benefits...your claim is an opinion, not fact. There are a lot of strange alternative practices out there - some are crap (ear candling, for example) and some are now mainstream (chiropractic, acupuncture). One of these days they'll get around to researching it properly and prove which category colonics fit into...awareness of colon cancer and other medical problem is a new thing, so I think we'll probably hear a fair bit about this one day soon.
And finally, if saturated fat can clog the blood vessels in your heart, does it not make sense that poor food choices can clog up your intestines similarly?
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 11:46 AM
Colonics are addictive. It is great to know you are flushing all of that waste out of your body. In addition to colonics I have gotten lyphatic drainage too to clear out the lympth nodes. They perform a colonic after that too.
I think the most uncomfortable thing about a colonic is getting the tube in place. After that when the water rushes in you start getting full and you let the person know so they can adjust the flow of water. When you are ready to pass the waste it feels like you have to take a large bowel movement and then there is a big release. You can see what you are passing through a glass viewer on the colonic machine. Some techs. will put teas in the colonic like pau d' arco for yeast. The water is cool to warm and changes during the course of the colonic. When the colonic is over I usually drink Emergen C for the electrolytes that are lost. You get a large burst of energy and then you might feel sluggish for the rest of the day depending how toxic you are. You want to look for closed systems so that an experienced person does it for you otherwise you could end up in a room with a large tub and a bag of your own where you do the colonic yourself. I would not recommend it. I got into that situation once and it was not a good experience. Good luck. Just go with your instincts on this one. SO many people are not into this sort of thing and think it is not good for you or it will harm you. Not the case.
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 12:19 PM
11:46 a.m poster: not really. Your blood vessels and your colon are two completely different things. Your vascular system is a closed system, your digestive system is not. Your arteries are much narrower than your colon. Blood is moved through your arteries by the pumping of your heart, food is moved through your disgestive system by muscle contractions throughout the system. Cholesterol builds up in your arteries because there is too much of it circulating in your bloodstream. What's in your colon is the undigestible part of your food - all the fat, protein and carbohydrate have already been digested through the stomach & intestines. Whatever "toxins" were in your food have already been broken down by your digestive juices and absorbed in your small intestine.
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 12:59 PM
curious about Aug 2 post re cadavers
What is this "study" on cadavers with 20 pounds of gut contents? I work with cadavers often and have never seen a single one with more than what I would estimate as 1 pound of gut contents. This is partly because when people die the sphincter muscles relax, so gut and bladder contents tend to flow out.
Also, contrary to what many posting seem to have been told, people do NOT typically have pockets of partly-digested food trapped in their large intestines, thank goodness. It's not as if the "Western Medical Establishment" is just making this up -- it's an empirical observation. I see the insides of people's large intestines more often than I really want to.
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 4:45 PM
Colon health website
Here is the info on colon contents link. It's actually worse than what I quoted, cadaver person. They note that we aren't talking about a healthy colon, more what can happen when you don't take care of yourself.
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 6:17 PM
Thank you, Neon - our colons are not like bathtub drains that have to be "cleaned out" mechanically or chemically - they clean themselves!
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 8:29 PM
i was wondering if colonics are a regular health-care pratice in any culture?
Tuesday, August 08, 2006, 8:38 PM
it's interesting to me that people who tout colonics are the same people who tout alternative medicine or natural medicine. there is nothing natural about colonics. your body is set up to cleanse itself by eating a healthy diet. there is no need for this.
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 9:50 AM
wow!! regarding that article-i can't remember when i had 2-3 large bm's in a day, every day!! that's too much for me...and i eat a very high-fiber, vegetable & fruit diet.
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 9:56 AM
RE: the comment about the western medical establishment
i'll take western medicine any day over alternative medicine. go ahead and be cynical all you want, but some day if you have a major injury or illness, you will gladly take advantage of the western mecidal services available at your hospital.
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 10:06 AM
The practice is currently only regulated in some states of the United States. SOME practitioners go through a voluntary certification process, and may be members of one of the colon hydrotherapy associations worldwide, such as the International Association of Colon HydroTherapy (I-ACT). Be sure that the equipment used is sterile and that the practitioner is experienced.
The American College of Gastroenterology takes the position that in the unusual case of fecal impaction complicating chronic constipation, a 5 to 10 ounce tap water enema may be of benefit, but DOES NOT otherwise recommend its use. The orthodox medical establishment perceives colon hydrotherapy to be little more than a bowel rinse, or expensive laxative.
Dr. Leonard Smith, MD, of Gainesville, Florida, an American College of Surgery board certified general surgeon, with 25 years practicing as a specialist in gastrointestinal surgery states, “If medical centers, hospitals, and clinics installed colon hydrotherapy departments, they would find such departments just as efficacious for patients as their present treatment are areas which are devoted to physiotherapy.”
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 10:17 AM
Alternative & Western Medicine can live happily together.
While many of you tout one type of medicine to be better than the other, I think a combination of both is the best method. Of course you should go to a Western doctor for major illnesses (ie chemotherapy), but if you have an unexplained illness, that even your Western doctor can't fix, then alternative medicine might be better for you. I have a friend who goes to a chiropractor religiously. She's less sick from those visits (she has a weak immune system). But she's no dumbie--she went to a Western doctor when she had cancer!
While some would never get a colonic, others find it to be refreshing. The truth is, doing it occassionally won't hurt you, but you do need the bacteria that builds up there. So while washing it away once in a while is okay, doing it too much is bad.
Also, there are some well regarded hospitals which are starting to open up alternative medicine wings to work with Western techniques. Additionally, my health insurance (which I love, even though I pay through the nose thank you my fat being a precondition!) has a program where I can go to some alternative medicine places and get discounts. They've realized that people who do alternative medicine are more proactive w/ their bodies, and watch their health more. So really, making alliances and cutting a deal for discounts helps them w/ the cost of health care in the long run (cheap bastards!).
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 10:39 AM
Yes, unfortunately Western medicine (and particularly the US healthcare system) has become way too focused on treatment, and not on prevention. Some insurance companies are starting to "get it" to a certain extent, and offering incentives for heatlhy behaviors that prevent disease, but for the most part, the monetary incentives are for treatment once you're injured or sick. It's sad, really.
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 11:43 AM
Re: Western v. Alternative
In the 1970's, the American Medical Association routed out all the little old Chinese acupuncturists in Chinatown (NYC). At that point, my traditionalist dad figured there must be something to it if doctors felt threatened by the practice enough to go to such drastic measures. Thirty years later, many insurance companies cover acupuncture treatment. Ask any asthmatic who's had acupuncture which they prefer - daily meds and steroid sprays or annual acupuncture.
I get annual physicals and gyn exams from my regular doctors. If I have any medical complaint (unexplained swelling, fevers, infections, etc), I go straight to these doctors. If I break a limb, if I get a treatable cancer, if I have a heart attack - yes, these are the people I want. But ever since a doctor suggested back surgery when I was 19 and another one wanted to put me on long-term pain meds at 23, I've been less than trusting. Somehow, 13 years later, my back is healthier than ever thanks to chiropractic, Rolfing, pilates, and improved fitness.
Having said that, no one will ever sell me on crystal healing or aura cleansing or distance healing. I'm open-minded, but that doesn't mean my brain has fallen out!
Wednesday, August 09, 2006, 2:36 PM
here's some more comments that may help out the other member who is looking for advice.
Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 1:32 PM
Any more anecdotal experiences of this practice? I'm surprised that there only seems to be one person on this whole site who has tried it.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 5:36 PM
how about trying a clensing at home first? i had to have a colonoscopy about 6 months ago, and i had to drink this super salty stuff to clense my bowels prior to the procedure. afterwards i felt so good, empty and clean... i'm thinking of doing another clensing soon.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 8:04 PM
I had a colonoscopy last year and got to watch the whole procedure after two days of diarrhea and vomiting. My innards were squeaky clean pink! No gunk like the colonic posters described and that was after only 2 days of water diet/ laxatives. I couldn't believe how flat my belly was. I felt like the beach ball that I usually feel like I was carrying was gone. However, I think that anyone doing that regularly is asking for trouble. Our feces are 80% bacteria and if you keep cleaning out your beneficial bacteria and putting nicks in the tissue with rough handling (high pressure water hoses of colonics, rough chemicals = laxatives - causing explosive diarrhea), if you happen to ingest some bad bug, there will be no competition and a very bad infection could set in with a direct line to the bloodstream via the nick. I tend to think that I have a little farm growing in my guts, and I know that if I eat enough fiber, things flow quickly through, but if I eat fat, it is slow, stinky (the longer it stays in there the more sulfur is created by your little symbiants), and sticky. Yogurt keeps renewing some good bugs.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 9:57 PM
8:04 poster again-
i agree that the flora in your guts is very beneficial, that's why i haven't cleansed again, give it a chance to do it's good deeds... i plan on it soon though, i just have to get myself psyched up to drink that super salty stuff again. i was concerned to hear that your dr. had you cleansing for two days, that seems excessive. i had clear liquids the day before and at 3:30pm that afternoon i started the cleansing, i was done and clean by 11pm. i had two doses of the salty stuff and tons of water, i was completely clear.... however, i did not watch the procedure. i was knocked out and evidently i sobbed in my sleep the entire time. i'm glad i wasn't awake to know what was going on, i would have flipped out!
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:28 PM
What a fascinating thread. I'll admit it has been something I'd been curious about but was afraid to ask. Thanks, OP.
I agree this is something you probably wouldn't want to do more than once in a year or two for the reasons that someone else alluded to ... the natural helpful flora in the colon.
Anyway, Ill be asking my doctor and gastroenterologist the next visit to be sure it's safe. They may well be able to recommend someone.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:39 PM
Depleting intestinal flora isn't really a problem as long as you follow the advice and take an acidophilus supplement or eat live yogurt.
Thursday, May 17, 2007, 1:41 AM
If you are talking about doing a colonhydrotherapy, I would just say to be careful and do the proper research before going to anybody. There are pro's & con's of the process... everybody is different.
If you are looking to take any sort of cleansing supplement, I would say to be very careful when taking herbal supplements, because some products have very questionable ingredients in them. Once again, do your research before doing anything dumb.
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