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OT: would you ever vote for Rudy Giuliani as president?
I live in NY and wonder how people in other parts of the country perceive him.
Thu. Aug 17, 2:19pm
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 2:48 PM
I think he'd be great. He is pretty liberal, but tough where it really matters.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 3:06 PM
I think he has a good reputation because he took charge in a horrible situation but besides that one event he was a non effective, unsuccessful leader.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 3:08 PM
i go into the city a lot, and guiliani definitely had an impact on the amount of trash on the streets, the people drinking in public, and most noticably the amount of pot smoking in washington square and central park. i'd have to read more about him to decide if i'd vote for him for president, though.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 3:22 PM
the 3:08 poster did not live in NYC-- unless one likes crime, his tenure here was highly sucessful in cleaning up the place. Of course people did bitch and moan-- he was called "hitler" before being called hitler was cool. His impact was enormous.
His downside is that he really has a rough edge, he is stylisticaly not that pleasant, compared to the uber smooth Bill Clinton. But he can speak in complete sentences and can coherently make an arguement, unlike the current occupant of the WH.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 4:24 PM
I think it'll be Giuliani vs. Hilary. And here's how I see it:
I love what Giuliani has done for New York. He made it a very fun place to visit, as so many areas are safe to walk around in whereas a decade or more ago, they were not safe - i.e. the theater district, Times Square, etc. I wish he'd come to Chicago and take away some of the "trash" outside my building too! But that's a different story...
He very successfully cleaned up a city. A big city, but still just a city. He doesn't have any experience in politics in the state realm; i'd be very hesitant to vote for him to run the country, especially as he'd be thrown from the city realm straight to the global realm of politics! I'd vote for him in a second for the House or Senate, and after a term or two, probably I'd vote for him for President. But now, he just doesn't have the experience.
Hillary I'd vote for, definitely. People say they don't like her politics, or they think she's a b****, etc. But, people love to hate a successful woman. And, she did a really great job when she was there for her last term (whether it was her or Bill, it'd likely be the same if she were elected, I think).
Unfortunately, if it's the two of them, I think Giuliani will win hands-down, b/c people aren't ready to elect a female. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I think we'll be seeing very shortly whether he can make the jump from New York City to the world!
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 4:33 PM
I couldn't agree more with the last poster. I am ready to vote for a woman president but I think most of the country is behind the times in this. Too bad.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 4:51 PM
4:33pm poster here -
Yay! It makes me feel so warm and fuzzy when someone agrees with me on here, instead of biting my head off or something!
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 5:34 PM
I have a tough time admiring Hilary simply because she stayed with a man who publicly cheated on her over and over again - presumably because it has given her the kind of public profile to become a presidential candidate herself. If she ends up on the ballot, I'd probably try to compare what she has done to get there compared to what other presidents have done.
Giuliani? I moved out of NYC in 1992 because the place was a filthy, dangerous pit. I moved back in 2000 because Giuliani made it not just habitable but enjoyable to live here. You can say it's "just a city", but at this moment in world history, it's the capital of the world...that makes it a very big deal. I would also say that 9/11 was a world event and that he handled it with unrehearsed dignity underscored with raw pain (he lost a lot of people who were very close to him for decades).
Okay, seriousness aside, wouldn't it be fun to write in Jesse "The Body" Ventura? We put some really far-out candidates in public office, for better or worse.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 5:53 PM
if all of us who felt it was time for a women in the presidential office (or even vp) voted as such, it could have an impact that washington would feel. keep that in mind, people!!
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 10:11 PM
I would NEVER vote for Giuliani
I've lived in NYC for 20 years. As a general matter, I think Giuliani gets way too much credit for improvements in the quality of life in NYC in the 1990s - I think he happened to be around when it happened but his governing was not what caused it. I also think he did damage to the city in ways that are not as visible - and thanks to Bloomberg whose fixed many of his mistakes - probably never will be.
I do think, in contrast, that Giuliani absolutely deserves credit for fantastic leadership around 9/11. He did an amazing job at a critical moment. His valuable and important work at that moment, however, is not enough to make up for a number of problems I saw during his time as mayor in NYC.
Thursday, August 17, 2006, 10:26 PM
10:26pm poster - could you please elaborate on the problems that Giuliani caused? I don't live in NYC, but I visit fairly often; it appeared at first glance that he did a great job, but I clearly don't know the whole story. Since he could possibly be our next President, please fill us in on the dirt!
Friday, August 18, 2006, 10:47 AM
i don't buy the idea that he was just around when it happened...people did not spontaneously start using trash baskets, stop drinking in public of their own volition, or stop smoking and selling drugs in the parks just coincindentally when he was in office! i saw first hand his efforts in cleaning up this city prove fruitful, and feel safer because of it.
Friday, August 18, 2006, 10:57 AM
Guiliani ran the City by vendetta. He would get really angry at people and govern accordingly. So, for example, he got really angry at a City Councilman in Brooklyn, so he decided to turn he decided to turn a City-run building that was a senior citizens center (which everyone in the neighborhood was happy to have) into a drug rehab center (which, not surprisingly, people in the neighborhood were not so thrilled about). He wanted to run City agencies in the way he wanted to run them - even if the way he wanted to run them was not quite within the bounds of law. Consequently, at the cost of millions of dollars to NYC taxpayers, his administration was getting sued (successfullY) all the time - only he wouldn't admit it and settle so law suits dragged on for a really law time. When Mayor Bloomberg (who governs, for the most part, by common sense) came into office, he settled all those law suits and new ones did not pop up.
While I don't always agree with Bloomberg's direction or decisions, he does seem guided by trying to make the right decisions for New York rather than for his ego or his angry impulses.
Sunday, August 20, 2006, 7:52 AM
Bloomberg certainly has a low key manner that is respectful and effective. But I don't think criminals are afraid of him, or the cops for that matter. Rudy was ruthless-- and the bad guys knew that. I don't know what the exact stats are, but the city does not feel safer under Bloomberg. It feels less safe in many instances. Take Prospect Park in Brooklyn-- there have recently been a rash of muggings-- in one case a mom with her toddler was accosted by a group of kids 12-14. They mugged her, took her ipod. Yesterday I was walking in Prospect park and a NYPD car was patrolling, driving along the walkways. There were 3 kids on skateboards, following the cops, almost mocking them. There was no sense in these kids that their behavior would have any negative consequence.
Sunday, August 20, 2006, 9:26 AM
I'm a female, and given the choice between hillary and rudy.. I'd go for Giuliani anyday. Regardless of how he did it, the city cleaned up a lot. I don't think I've ever seen a politician win that much respect from the public. From what I've seen, he genuinely cares about doing his best for the sake of the people he govorns. That's a rare thing in politics.
I would love to see a genuine, honest, caring, and supportive female in charge of the country just as much as anyone else. But I can't make myself vote for someone just based on the coincidence of their gender. Every time I see hillary in the news it looks to me like she's preaching exactly what she knows people want to hear and playing up the angles to increase her numbers in the polls.
Nothing irritates me more than the constant attacks and disrespect thrown in the face of the current administration. I don't necessarily agree with how the situation in Iraq and Afghan has been handled, but I also think it's wrong to pounce on it like a pack of vultures and ride the wave of the country's disapproval for self-promoting reasons.
I would give just about anything to see a decent human being run for office. Too many politicians have forgotten that their job is to work for the people, not for their pockets. At this point, my standards are so low I might even be tempted to vote for someone if they simply removed all of the mud slinging from their campaign. Tell us what you plan to do to make the country better, not what the other guy didn't do, or what a great person you are for calling them out on their failures.
*sigh* I dread election years...
Monday, August 21, 2006, 12:54 PM
regardless of how you feel about Bush and his handling of the war on terror, the fact remains that we (the whole world) have a huge problem with radicalized elements of the Islamic world. And huge problems need to be confronted. And Guiliani would be great at confronting those problems. And not simply in a "bomb em back to the stone age" kind of way-I think he'd simply be relentless and smart in dealing with it. Maybe a ton smarter than Bush who seems to only favor a divide and conquer approach (across the board it seems)
Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:58 AM
Yes, yes, yes! I know he's not america's ideal, according to history, but he's a great leader, decisive and doesn't care what other people think. He has my vote.
Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 7:23 PM
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