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Spelling and grammar if fundamental.

Like reading. To ask that individuals follow the principles of the English language isn't asking for much.

Mon. Jan 8, 11:06am

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..."if fundamental" or "IS fundamental".....we all make mistakes...

Monday, January 08, 2007, 11:12 AM

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for some posters, english is a second or third language. as long as they are able to deliver their point, let's all be a bit more forgiving, eh?

Monday, January 08, 2007, 11:26 AM

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You both are nitpicky and you know it. You can tell if it's English written as a second language, and you can also tell if it's someone being in a hurry.

Lose vs. Loose is basic 7th grade english skills. Someone has to police it or the quality goes down.

Monday, January 08, 2007, 12:47 PM

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can you tell that i learned english as a second language? how can you detect these things? i've come across far more that bothers me in some of the postings than a bit of misspelling here and there. it is more the content of some comments that i find disturbing.

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:00 PM

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Who knows if you're lying to make your point? You have not silenced me. I have hereby declared myself as head of the peertrainer spelling and grammar posse. Please join me if you are so inclined.

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:05 PM

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I will typically overlook a spelling or grammatical error without comment, but I could not resist in this instance. The title of this post, even assuming "if" was a misspelling for "is", remains grammatically incorrect. It should read "Spelling and grammar ARE fundamental."

I hope the OP will lighten up and realize that everyone makes mistakes, and many people do not appreciate having every minor mistype or grammatical mistake pointed out by the grammar police. It quickly becomes tiring, and detracts from the reason people post on this site - for support and encouragement in their endeavors to have a healthier lifestyle.

There are also more effective techniques for correcting people's errors that are not so antagonistic. You might wish to adopt a technique that is effective with children. If they say something incorreclty, it's not necessary to blatantly point it out. That just puts them on the defensive and hinders learning. Instead, in your reply say the thing correctly, and they'll pick up the correction. So, for instance, if someone posts that they want to "loose" 10 pounds, in your reply (which will hopefully be about their point and not just their spelling error), begin with "I understand that you want to lose 10 pounds. . . "

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:07 PM

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dude, I think it was a play on the RIF, reading is fundamental thing we heard growing up.

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:11 PM

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would the OP correct a posting for a "lite" food item if the logger is just spelling it the same way it is spelled on the package? what about copying other things misspelled on packaging? what if i said i saw the movie "the pursuit of happyness" and it is actually spelled that way in the movie? will someone correct me for putting a title in quotes instead of underlining it? get over it. we are no on this website to learn grammar. a lot of people who know correct grammar just prefer to keep things here causal and write how they talk. so maybe they mix up lose and loose, you're and your, their and there and they're. but they didn't come here to learn english and probably don't care about your correction.

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:27 PM

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Wow, I really wish that I had that much time on my hands to be the Grammar and Spelling Nazi on this little PeerTrainer board.. I mean, isn't the whole purpose of this site to support each other???

Monday, January 08, 2007, 1:44 PM

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The English grammar we teach in school is an imperfect descripton of the language. It's a shame everyone here couldn't have been in Dr. T's upper-division Theoretical Grammar course, diagramming sentences from _Trains_ magazine. _Yikes_. I recall this often-repeated quote from Dr. T: "Language is a living, squirming thing."

That's why I love it.

"Correct English" is a misnomer. It's "Standard English." Its only correct in certain circumstances. Here's what I told my high school English students: Imagine the hottest babe in the senior class invited you to the Prom, and all you had to wear was a swimsuit. Ack. Okay, now imagine the hottest babe in the senior class invited you to a bonfire party on a private beach, and all you had to wear was formal attire.

Neither situation is particularly appealing.

That's language. Standard English, while entirely appropriate and necessary in certain situations in order to give the right impression, is not always the best or the only choice. Conversely, sometimes it's okay to use substandard English. You don't want to say to your buddies, "What group activities would you all like to participate in today?" They'd think you were nuts. It's more appropriate to the situation to say "Whaddya wanna do?"

What's critical is knowing the difference and understanding when each is the right choice.

"Loose" for "lose," of course, is not technically a grammatical error. Still, it seems odd to be too concerned about it on a board aimed at helping people support each other in healthy lifestyles.

There was one girl in Dr. T's class who was a very, very rigid grammarian. She almost lost her mind that semester! Dr. T was a very well-respected, very charismatic, very strong teacher, and every class period she'd be sitting in the back of the room practically gasping for air as he peeled back the skin of closed thinking and exposed the reality that flew in the face of her treasured grammar-related beliefs, revealing language for what it really is. Poor girl. I think she managed to go on and get her degree and certification, and probably has a classroom in a high school somewhere where she intones the sacred doctrine of Proper English to glazed-eyed sophomores.

As will be clear by this post, I know how to use Standard English. It's a strong tool in my linguistic toolbox. But it's not the only tool.

If anyone made it this far, thanks for letting my play about with my writing skills. And if you made it this far and are about to write a scathing response about the importance of linguistic purity--carry on. I'm an old M*A*S*H fan, and always got a kick out of Major Winchester. :^ )

Monday, January 08, 2007, 5:49 PM

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