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medical system in the US is the 3rd leading cause of death

This is right behind cancer and heart disease. Medical errors kill people, drug interactions kill people, hospital infections kill people, surgeries kill people, poorly trained at home nurses kill people. Even great surgeons kill people. A simple mistake from a heart surgeon, one wrong stitch and you are dead.

Do you know what happens when a hospital or a doctor makes a mistake? The CLAM up, and do everything in your power from knowing that an error has occured.

Wed. Nov 7, 11:52am

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Just another reason to keep yourself healthy : )

Wednesday, November 07, 2007, 5:34 PM

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For all the mistakes and possibilities, I would take American health care over any other. I live most of my life out of the U.S. because of my husband's work. The German health care system is supposed to be fabulous, but when I went to a doctor there for foot pain, I was scheduled for appointment after appointment. When I returned to the U.S. - still in pain after 6 months of weekly doctor visits, I saw a Podiatrist. One visit ended my pain and taught me what I needed to do keep it from returning. My son had a similar experience - for him, it was 3 surgeries, 3 years of pain. On seeing a U.S. doctor, it was 2 doctor visits and the problem was solved. Over and over, we have had difficulty with non-U.S. health care until I put off getting treatment for anything I can put off until I can get back to that good old US health care system.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 12:28 AM

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I think people here in the US take everything they have and have access to for granted. Go to any other country and experience what there health care systems are like. Stop the bitching and complaining and save it until you really have something to compare it to. I've live in South America for 2 years and their system was horrible, I've also lived in France and the same thing. We have it really good here. Doctors aren't Gods they don't know everything and sometimes they even misdiagnose things until they figure it out. But we do get outstanding care.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 1:01 AM

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I'm just waiting for the "I'm so glad I'm Canadian" crap to begin...she always makes an appearance on these threads.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 9:06 AM

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i'd agree with everyone else....wait until you've experienced health care in other parts of the world to judge because health care is truly better here than anywhere else. and i certainly hope there isn't any canadian to give some "canadians have better health care" spiel. when you have universal health care you have people going to the doctor for stupid reasons like the common cold instead of taking the time to judge where they're truly sick or not which means it takes forever to get things like surgery in canada. in fact, many canadians who have the means, fly themselves to the u.s. for important health care and things such as surgery.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 9:15 AM

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9:06 this one is for you!!!

I am glad I am Canadian!!!

Plus our dollar is doing so fabulously, we can afford to pay your high health care prices if we needed to consult some of your experts most of who really are Canadian doctors who moved to US because of lower taxes....

As long you guys don't invade us because of our oil!

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 9:54 AM

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I am a doctor and it really angers me to hear so much ignorance coming from some of you. You have no idea what it's like to be a doctor, to have to make judgment calls and to try your best to diagnose whoever comes in. Have you tried having that many people's health in your hands? Do you know why we have to rely so much on tests these days? Because otherwise we get sued to no end by ignorant people like you. Yes there are drugs that carry a risk of death. Sometimes not taking a drug also carries a risk of death. It is our job to try our best to inform our patients what the best course of action is. I became a doctor so that I could help people like all of you, because I cared about others. So before you go spewing your ignorance into other people's ears, ask yourself what have YOU done to help mankind today? Until you stand in my shoes and the shoes of every other doctor, don't go assuming that it's all a big conspiracy and repeating whatever other things you most likely did not come up with yourself but heard from someone else.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 12:57 PM

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Well said PP, I'm glad a doctor commented here.

IMO we expect doctors to be perfect when in fact they are not. Mistakes are made, they are human. But like other posters said, I would rather be here in the U.S. with our health care than somewhere else in the world. We really are very lucky, so lucky in fact that many take it for granted...

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 1:13 PM

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DON'T FORGET! Heart disease is the #1 killer but you still see overweight people everywhere, slowly killing themselves and driving up our health care costs. Are we going to start a thread to rant about that too?
If doctors and the health care system need to be held accountable I guess they should be too right?

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 1:16 PM

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12:57- wow, you have served to reinforce what I think about doctors. That you guys are defensive, close minded and deep down just not that nice. One thing I know about doctors is that the best doctors are usually the ones with the best bedside manner, who leave their egos at the door.

When you are really good, you don't need to be defensive. My guess is that you are a primary care doctor frustrated by many factors:

1) increase complexity of medicine is hard to keep up with
2) low rates of pay from the insurance company has forced you to practice "ten minute medicine" where you race against the clock to figure out what is wrong with someone before you have to get the next patient in just to pay the bills.

3) malpractice lawsuits are out of control, which further decreases your ability to make money.

So I do understand your frustration, but you knew what you were getting into. You may want to consider getting into another line of work where the pressure is not so great.

Thursday, November 08, 2007, 1:22 PM

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